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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    some of the Wielbark sites producing somewhat unexpected results
    There are rumours that one of Wielbark Y-s is the same subclade as one of Motala HGs.

    Motala HG samples: http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

    If true, then this reminds me of: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2012/0...netically.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    There are rumours that one of Wielbark Y-s is the same subclade as one of Motala HGs.

    Motala HG samples: http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

    If true, then this reminds me of: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2012/0...netically.html
    Yes, one of them is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Yes, one of them is.
    Do you think that this indicates that some of Wielbark people could be immigrants from Scandinavia?

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    Maybe maybe not
    Those haplogorups could all have been around since forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    So I don't know if this has been discussed, but I heard from somebody who knows an archeologist at the Rakhigarhi site.
    They are going to release a paper later in the year and 80-90% of the samples were y-HG L-M20.

    I will inquire for more details. I can't verify the authenticity of the man's claims.
    That would be interesting . Weren't the Armenian Chalcolithics L ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    There are some results, but they're patchy and it's hard to know what to make of them. Apparently, the current thinking is something like this:

    - Bronze Age Poles are very similar to modern-day Poles

    - During the Iron Age there's a genetic shift, with some of the Wielbark sites producing somewhat unexpected results

    - However, some Wielbark and Przeworsk samples show continuity with the Bronze Age and later Medieval samples

    - Typically West Slavic R1a subclades show up in upper class samples from the Medieval Period
    Very interesting, thank you for sharing. Any chance for aDNA from Lusatian and Pomeranian cultures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    That would be interesting . Weren't the Armenian Chalcolithics L ?
    It seems so:

    This haplogroup was found in the remains of an ancient Hunnic elite burial in Hungary.[35] A Neolithic individual from modern-day Armenia was also identified as belonging to haplogroup L1a as well as having red hair and blue eyes.
    This is also interesting....

    51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah, 31.0% of Eastern Syrians

    I don't know much about L-M20, but if my cursory reading of Wikipedia is correct, its presence suggests that the IVC were a proto-Dravidian people?

    In India, L-M20 has a higher frequency among Dravidian castes, but is somewhat rarer in Indo-Aryan castes.[6] In Pakistan, it has highest frequency in Balochistan.[10]

    It has also been found at low frequencies among populations of Central Asia and South West Asia (including Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, and Yemen) as well as in Southern Europe (especially areas adjoining the Mediterranean Sea).[citation needed]
    Preliminary evidence gleaned from non-scientific sources, such as individuals who have had their Y-chromosomes tested by commercial labs,[web 2] suggests that most European examples of Haplogroup L-M20 might belong to the subclade L2-M317, which is, among South Asian populations, generally the rarest of the subclades of Haplogroup L.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

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    M20 is a far upstream SNP and is dated to around 23kya (MRCA) according to YFull.

    Of the primary subclades, L1a1-M27 is specific to the Indian subcontinent, L1a2-M357 has a SC Asian-N Caucasus-Iranian plateau distribution, L1b-M317 is mostly found in West Asia and one subclade peaks in Europe.

    If your associate's leaks are true, then we would expect Rakhigarhi to be mostly L1a1, L1a2, or a mixture of the two. I would bet it has both, with L1a1 > L1a2. I would also bet that the remaining subclades would be Y-DNA H and a variant of J2 (possibly J2b2 based on modern subclade distributions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    - Bronze Age Poles are very similar to modern-day Poles
    Isn't this contradicted by what you show here:
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3henU8gFD...18/PL_N17b.png
    Do you know of any other Bronze Age samples from Poland who match the modern Polish population much better?



    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    - However, some Wielbark and Przeworsk samples show continuity with the Bronze Age and later Medieval samples
    The question is whether these inlcude any Y-DNA lineages that are known to be associated with Early Slavic ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    M20 is a far upstream SNP and is dated to around 23kya (MRCA) according to YFull.

    ... L1a2-M357 has a SC Asian-N Caucasus-Iranian plateau distribution ...
    If we go by frequency perhaps, but:
    1. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0050269
    2. https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-L1307/

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