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    PL_N17 has around 50 matches with modern people in GEDmatch, according to Diagnostic Utility:

    has approximately 50 total matches with other kits. Of these matches there are 10 >= 7cM and 40 < 7cM.
    Batch processing has not yet completed, so it is impossible to check who are these modern people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michał View Post
    Let's then wait and see. The upcoming results for Wielbark and Przeworsk should settle this once and for all.
    Upcoming? Do we have an ETA? I'd love to see some results soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Western Pontic steppe mtDNA is very Mesolithic it seems (8/12 U, 2/12 C). I guess these guys weren't in on the kidnapping farmer's daughters thing. I wonder if we will see a lot of paternal "farmer" lineages? Or just highly Euro-HG like autosomally?

    Time for a new narrative ?

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    PuntDNAL K12 Ancient results for PL_N17 (Early Bronze Age Poland):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_HG 46.39
    2 Caucasus_HG 29.52
    3 Anatolian_NF 22.02
    4 Beringian 0.86
    5 Amerindian 0.69
    6 Oceanian 0.33
    7 Sub-Saharan 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Srubnaya_I0232 2.74
    2 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 3.19
    3 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 4.03
    4 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 4.82
    5 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 4.85
    6 Srubnaya_I0430 6.41
    7 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 7.27
    8 Potapovka_I0419 7.41
    9 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 7.54
    10 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 9.16
    11 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 11.71
    12 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 11.73
    13 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 12.02
    14 Unetice_EBA_I0117 12.91
    15 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 13.1
    16 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 13.16
    17 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 14.99
    18 Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 15.82
    19 Scythian_IA_I0247 17.39
    20 Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 19.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.3% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 5.7% Hungary_HG_I1507 @ 2.02
    2 94.4% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 5.6% Bichon @ 2.06
    3 57.7% Srubnaya_I0232 + 42.3% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 2.11
    4 83.4% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 16.6% Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 2.21
    5 83.9% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 16.1% BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 2.24
    6 95.9% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 4.1% Karelia_HG_I0061 @ 2.3
    7 76.6% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 23.4% Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 2.32
    8 95.6% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 4.4% Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585 @ 2.32
    9 92.2% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 7.8% Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 2.38
    10 92.6% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 7.4% Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 2.39
    11 96.8% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 3.2% Loschbour_SG @ 2.49
    12 96.8% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 3.2% LaBrana @ 2.49
    13 96.8% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 3.2% Motala12 @ 2.49
    14 68.9% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 31.1% Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 2.6
    15 79.2% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 20.8% Potapovka_I0419 @ 2.62
    16 92.8% Srubnaya_I0232 + 7.2% BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 2.66
    17 63.1% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 36.9% Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 @ 2.66
    18 99.3% Srubnaya_I0232 + 0.7% Satsurblia_SATP @ 2.68
    19 88.1% Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 + 11.9% Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 2.7
    20 99.3% Srubnaya_I0232 + 0.7% Kotias_Kide_KK @ 2.7

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    Another new paper (pointed out by Davidski).

    Subdivisions of haplogroups U and C encompass mitochondrial DNA lineages of Eneolithic–Early Bronze Age Kurgan populations of western North Pontic steppe
    http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/va...jects_genetics

    Hopefully full genomes on way too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Another new paper (pointed out by Davidski).

    Subdivisions of haplogroups U and C encompass mitochondrial DNA lineages of Eneolithic–Early Bronze Age Kurgan populations of western North Pontic steppe
    http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/va...jects_genetics

    Hopefully full genomes on way too
    As a U5a guy, I think that's great, but where's the beef (I mean the y-dna)?

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    Mtdna only for now

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    NB: Jean gets a mention in the acknowledgments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    Upcoming? Do we have an ETA? I'd love to see some results soon
    There are some results, but they're patchy and it's hard to know what to make of them. Apparently, the current thinking is something like this:

    - Bronze Age Poles are very similar to modern-day Poles

    - During the Iron Age there's a genetic shift, with some of the Wielbark sites producing somewhat unexpected results

    - However, some Wielbark and Przeworsk samples show continuity with the Bronze Age and later Medieval samples

    - Typically West Slavic R1a subclades show up in upper class samples from the Medieval Period
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    So I don't know if this has been discussed, but I heard from somebody who knows an archeologist at the Rakhigarhi site.
    They are going to release a paper later in the year and 80-90% of the samples were y-HG L-M20.

    I will inquire for more details. I can't verify the authenticity of the man's claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Mtdna only for now

    IMG_3732.jpg

    NB: Jean gets a mention in the acknowledgments
    Awesome, the first HV1 has been finally found in MBA Banbino. I wonder if some subclades of HV1 like HV1a1 were brought by Steppe peoples to Europe.
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