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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
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    Here are examples of people who should NOT consider the R1b-L2 SNP Pack:

    1. Already tested L2-
    2. Already tested Z36+, Z43+, Z56+, Z192+, PF6658+ (since the tree shows they must be L2-)
    3. Already tested Z367+ or anything downstream, like L20+ (since a more specialized pack is expected, the R1b-Z367 SNP Pack)
    4. Already tested Z49+ or anything downstream, like Z142+ (since a more specialized pack is expected - the R1b-Z49 SNP Pack)
    5. Already tested Big Y unless you have a specific reason that are you comfortable with.

    If the situations one through five don't apply to you and you are L2+ or match an L2+ person closely you should consider the R1b-L2 SNP Pack. This could include people who are L2+ and lightly tested downstream. For instance, if you think you are A6454+ but don't know much beyond that you will see there are eight (8) SNPs downstream of the A6454 subclade in the R1b-L2 SNP Pack. The introductory price is $99 so this a good time to blast through those SNPs.
    The R1b-L2 SNP Pack covers the "top-layer" of L2 branching plus the "misc. subclades". However, the "misc." list appears long and well covered. The only two branches not covered by downstream SNPs are Z367 and Z49. There is a reason for this. Both of these SNPs are included in the L2 pack as bridge pointers to specialized packs for Z367 and Z49. You could call this the R1b-L2 (xZ367 xZ49) Pack.

    In alphabetical orders here are SNPs that mark each of the nineteen (19) branches of L2, at least according to what FTDNA has.

    A6454
    BY1145
    BY2823
    BY2895
    CTS5689
    DF103
    DF110
    FGC10543
    FGC13620
    FGC14641
    FGC22501
    FGC5301
    FGC5338
    L199
    PF7609
    S1555
    Y11667
    Z367
    Z49

    Seventeen (17) of these nineteen branches have downstream branching covered in the L2 pack. This how the pack gets to over the 120-125 odd SNPs in the pack, by covering the downstream branching.

    As mentioned, Z367 and Z49 are stubs in the L2 pack as there will be specific packs for each of these two, with lots of SNPs in them.

    Here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1b-L2-Pack.pdf is an .PDF outline tree of what's in the R1b-L2 SNP Pack with position number detail. As you can see, selected SNPs from phylogenetic equivalent blocks are included. In other haplogroups of R1b, we've found that phylogenetic equivalent blocks are busted from time to time to discover more layering in the branch. Testing multiple SNPs in a block also is a form of validation (cross-checking).

    This is critical. If you see a key branch or SNP missing, please reply back ASAP. FTDNA has accepted late adds to the intoductory versions of a pack but we may have only a 24-36 hour window to submit late-adds. What's missing? I don't know if it is problematic but it looks like S18827 might mark a branch?
    Last edited by TigerMW; 04-18-2016 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    This is critical. If you see a key branch or SNP missing, please reply back ASAP. FTDNA has accepted late adds to the intoductory versions of a pack but we may have only a 24-36 hour window to submit late-adds. What's missing? I don't know if it is problematic but it looks like S18827 might mark a branch?
    I'll ask once again: Have you included the FGC11577 clade which is directly under L2? It is on the official U152 tree. The two examples, Ukrainian and British, diverged 3000 years ago.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 04-18-2016 at 10:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    I'll ask once again: Have you included the FGC11577 clade which is directly under L2? It is on the official U152 tree. The two examples, Ukrainian and British, diverged 3000 years ago.
    Good eyes, Lawrence. Thank you. I don't see it on the current list but need to doublecheck the use of BY SNPs. In any case, I'll request it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmental View Post
    On "The Big Tree" it is listed as the FGC6424 branch (Mosimann and NA12144) under Z36. On the YFull tree it is listed as the Y3577(FGC6418) branch under Z36.
    I haven't seen any final details on a Z36 SNP Pack, but yes, this branch (including both of these two SNPs) have been submitted (months ago.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Here is a summary of what I think the U152 SNP pack series will be...

    . . Z49 subclade and downstream only
    Do you know when the Z49 SNP pack will be available for review?
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Do you know when the Z49 SNP pack will be available for review?
    No, it's not at all under my control. As I mentioned before, only Lawrence was able to get me to predict a time-line (for DF27), which turned out to be credible. I just know they are working on it. I'll see if I can find anything else. What are critical SNPs that you want to make sure are included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    ...What are critical SNPs that you want to make sure are included?
    At least one of the following from this terminal branch:
    -FGC12401/Y10984 (FGC12401 is FTDNA name for this terminal branch)
    -FGC12402/Y10985
    -FGC12403/Y9080 (Y9080 is Yfull's name for this terminal branch)
    -FGC12404/Y10986
    -FGC12405/Y4272

    As FTDNA currently only shows FGC12401, FGC12402, and FGC12404, it's probably best to limit to these.

    If limited to one then make it FGC12401.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    What are critical SNPs that you want to make sure are included?
    Probably goes without saying, but S8183 and Y4354, Y4355 and Y4356. If there is room, there are some downstream SNPs that currently are private or geographically restricted, but would be useful to explore: Y11179, Y13610, Y13860, Y17276, Y16875 and Y14088.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    What are critical SNPs that you want to make sure are included?
    Please be sure that the R1b-Z49 SNP Pack includes the exotic Polish Y18894 clade.

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    Richard Rocca hasn't posted much recently...maybe he's a CPA (tax season in the US)

    But Mikwww says he's been involved.

    I want to thank him for what he's doing behind the scenes...if he's involved then I have no worries the U152 SNP packs will be done right.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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