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    I0122, Khvalynsk II, Volga River, Samara [5200-4000 BCE]

    M343eq:
    CTS2134/FGC47/PF6253+
    CTS2229/FGC31/PF6254+
    M415/PF6251+
    PF6250/V1980+


    F2482eq:
    F3599-
    PH1030-
    PH3826-
    SK2056-
    SK2058-


    L754eq:
    A702/Z8137+
    CTS4244/PF6257/YSC1279/V2997+
    FGC35/PF6150+
    FGC36/Z8006/Z8138/Y409+
    PF1144+
    PF6263+
    PF6271+


    M335: no reads

    V88eq:
    PF6292-
    PF6299-
    PF6303-
    PF6305-
    PF6309-
    PF6312-
    PF6314-
    PF6329-
    PF6334-
    PF6344-
    PF6376-


    L389eq: no reads

    CTS5330eq:
    V1274-
    CTS2571-
    CTS5330-
    CTS9292-
    CTS9784-
    V1452/Z12228-


    P297eq:
    CTS11985/PF6523-
    CTS3876/PF6458-
    CTS5082-
    CTS5577/FGC38/PF6464-
    CTS9018/FGC188/PF6484-
    FGC57/L1067/M12189/PF6424/SK2079/Z8148-
    FGC69/L320/PF6092/Z8143-
    PF6083/Y417-
    PF6463-

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    Quote Originally Posted by smal View Post
    I0122, Khvalynsk II, Volga River, Samara [5200-4000 BCE]

    M343eq:
    CTS2134/FGC47/PF6253+
    CTS2229/FGC31/PF6254+
    M415/PF6251+
    PF6250/V1980+


    F2482eq:
    F3599-
    PH1030-
    PH3826-
    SK2056-
    SK2058-


    L754eq:
    A702/Z8137+
    CTS4244/PF6257/YSC1279/V2997+
    FGC35/PF6150+
    FGC36/Z8006/Z8138/Y409+
    PF1144+
    PF6263+
    PF6271+


    M335: no reads

    V88eq:
    PF6292-
    PF6299-
    PF6303-
    PF6305-
    PF6309-
    PF6312-
    PF6314-
    PF6329-
    PF6334-
    PF6344-
    PF6376-


    L389eq: no reads

    CTS5330eq:
    V1274-
    CTS2571-
    CTS5330-
    CTS9292-
    CTS9784-
    V1452/Z12228-


    P297eq:
    CTS11985/PF6523-
    CTS3876/PF6458-
    CTS5082-
    CTS5577/FGC38/PF6464-
    CTS9018/FGC188/PF6484-
    FGC57/L1067/M12189/PF6424/SK2079/Z8148-
    FGC69/L320/PF6092/Z8143-
    PF6083/Y417-
    PF6463-
    I don't understand, is Georgian[[216826] and/or Samara Hunter Gatherer[M343+, L278+, [P297 equivalent PF6513+], M478-, [M478 equivalent Y13872+, Y13866- (The presence of positive and negative markers in the M478 node can reflect an intermediate stage of its formation.)], M478-, M269-] and or Spain Els Trocs [I0410/Troc 3] M 5178-5066 BC R1b1c [M415+, M343+, [L754 equivalent: L774/PF6245/YSC277+, PF1144+, V88 eqivalent: PF6376+], M478-, PF6399-, L265-, L150-, M269-, V35-, V69- ]related to this sample?

    216826 Georgia R-P25 M343+, P25+, P297-, V88-, M269-, M18-, M335-, M73-?
    http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html
    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ia?iframe=ysnp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    I don't understand, is Georgian[[216826] and/or Samara Hunter Gatherer[M343+, L278+, [P297 equivalent PF6513+], M478-, [M478 equivalent Y13872+, Y13866- (The presence of positive and negative markers in the M478 node can reflect an intermediate stage of its formation.)], M478-, M269-] and or Spain Els Trocs [I0410/Troc 3] M 5178-5066 BC R1b1c [M415+, M343+, [L754 equivalent: L774/PF6245/YSC277+, PF1144+, V88 eqivalent: PF6376+], M478-, PF6399-, L265-, L150-, M269-, V35-, V69- ]related to this sample?
    There are several different clades between P25+ and P297-. We do not have the L389 and L754 data for this sample. But it is better to have NGS test because 216826 can belong to an unknown new line. And we have new data for I0410 and I0124, I only try to download them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smal View Post
    There are several different clades between P25+ and P297-. We do not have the L389 and L754 data for this sample. But it is better to have NGS test because 216826 can belong to an unknown new line. And we have new data for I0410 and I0124, I only try to download them.
    I see there are so many in are line [R1b-9219+]branching into separate lines; the numbers have really grown since you & J.B./A.K. joined project, your efforts have made a real difference[[thnx sml Дзякуй,-thank-you]. I'm skeptical we derive from Italy, Anatolia or Iran Iraq since the variance does not reflect in these regions for our line though I may be proven wrong since I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed hahaha. Are we any closer to finding out the origin of our line, nothing has turned up in Yamnaya; are we further west perhaps, any theories ideas or thoughts ??

    thnx for lesson j.b
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    I don't understand, is Georgian[[216826] and/or Samara Hunter Gatherer[M343+, L278+, [P297 equivalent PF6513+], M478-, [M478 equivalent Y13872+, Y13866- (The presence of positive and negative markers in the M478 node can reflect an intermediate stage of its formation.)], M478-, M269-] and or Spain Els Trocs [I0410/Troc 3] M 5178-5066 BC R1b1c [M415+, M343+, [L754 equivalent: L774/PF6245/YSC277+, PF1144+, V88 eqivalent: PF6376+], M478-, PF6399-, L265-, L150-, M269-, V35-, V69- ]related to this sample?

    216826 Georgia R-P25 M343+, P25+, P297-, V88-, M269-, M18-, M335-, M73-?
    http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html
    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ia?iframe=ysnp
    Nice graphic. Any chance of getting Sergey to add the Bell Beaker results, most of which would be out to the right, off of the L51 branch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Nice graphic. Any chance of getting Sergey to add the Bell Beaker results, most of which would be out to the right, off of the L51 branch?
    He did a great job with visuals, and continues to do excellent work for our project. It would be really nice if he could add L51+ major branches with time frames/ and also R1a/R1b upstream_downstream lines with major branches and dates since it becoming obvious that the L51-312/106 and R1a-283/93 are all closely related and originating from same source/region with some of the more ancient lines going extinct.
    However, it might take some team-work -together with R1a teams to create such a history of our origins.
    Maybe a wish for Christmas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    He did a great job with visuals, and continues to do excellent work for our project. It would be really nice if he could add L51+ major branches with time frames/ and also R1a/R1b upstream_downstream lines with major branches and dates since it becoming obvious that the L51-312/106 and R1a-283/93 are all closely related and originating from same source/region with some of the more ancient lines going extinct.
    However, it might take some work together with R1a teams. Maybe a wish for Christmas?
    Yes, it would be nice to have the Beaker and Corded Ware results there, too. Great graphic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    J1(xJ1a) from Mesolithic Karelia. The Mesolithic Georgian J was J1b, a rare form of J1. Maybe the Karelian guy had J1b.

    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015...asian-genomes/
    The Upper Palaeolithic Georgian sample was/is J1b. The Mesolithic Georgian sample was/is J2a.
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    I0410, Els Trocs, Iberia_EN, 5295-5066 calBCE

    V88 eq:
    FGC20972/Y8457+
    FGC21012/V2219+
    PF6291+
    PF6292+
    PF6309+
    PF6335+
    PF6341+
    PF6343+
    PF6344+
    PF6376+
    BY426/Z5044+
    Y:9513046 (C/T)+


    V88 > FGC21034/SK2063/V2197 eq:
    FGC20984/YFC086522+
    FGC21018/Y8460+
    FGC21029/Y8453+
    FGC21063/Y7784+
    Y:6614515 (T/A)+
    Z29595+

    FGC20970/Y8447-

    V88 > FGC21034/SK2063/V2197 >V35 eq:
    SK2068-
    V35-
    Z30236-
    Z30246-
    Z30252-
    Z30256-
    Z30264-
    Z30275-
    Y:22512713 (A/T)-
    Y:22270223 (G/A)-
    Y:22271110 (C/T)-


    V88 > FGC21034/SK2063/V2197 > Y7771 eq:
    FGC20558-
    SK2071/V1944-
    Y:22263077 (A/G)-
    Y8437-
    Y8438-
    Y8439-
    Y8440-


    V88 > FGC21034/SK2063/V2197 > FGC20969 eq:
    FGC20969-
    FGC20981-
    FGC20983-


    I0122, Khvalynsk II, Volga River, Samara [5200-4000 BCE]

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