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    Quote Originally Posted by SSlava View Post
    If I have correctly understood, my 1-3 percent of East Asia in other calculators show rather new impurity?

    And these 6 percent East Asia since ancient times?
    That is one way to think of it, I guess. The more populations available in the calculator, the more chance there is of putting each allele into a category closely related to a population close to you. On this one, there are only three very basic options from well spread out populations, so it will highlight this very basic split and could show some more ancient relationships for someone who isn't recently admixed from those three places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    That is one way to think of it, I guess. The more populations available in the calculator, the more chance there is of putting each allele into a category closely related to a population close to you. On this one, there are only three very basic options from well spread out populations, so it will highlight this very basic split and could show some more ancient relationships for someone who isn't recently admixed from those three places.
    Well, for example Loschbour contains 6 percent of East Asia.
    But at the same time he is 100 percent WHG.
    it means that east Asia contains in WHG?
    Here even about 3-4 percent of east Asia quite often occur at the western Europeans))?

    Here's an example of the results of this topic:

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 96.71
    2 E_Eurasian 3.27

    Population
    E_Eurasian 2.27%
    SSA 0.74%
    W_Eurasian 97.00%

    Population
    E_Eurasian 4.51%
    SSA 0.98%
    W_Eurasian 94.51%

    Population
    E_Eurasian 2.86%
    SSA 0.86%
    W_Eurasian 96.28%
    Last edited by SSlava; 03-10-2016 at 01:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSlava View Post
    Well, for example Loschbour contains 6 percent of East Asia.
    But at the same time he is 100 percent WHG.
    it means that east Asia contains in WHG?
    Here even about 3 percent of east Asia quite often occur at the western Europeans))?

    Here's an example of the results of this topic:

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 96.71
    2 E_Eurasian 3.27

    Population
    E_Eurasian 2.27%
    SSA 0.74%
    W_Eurasian 97.00%
    I am not the right person to explain the precise details, but will try a little. Loschbour and WHG are "ancient" concepts derived from actual ancient people's remains. This K3 test is derived, I think, from recent populations with the most basic of splits. So, testing an ancient remain against this K3 grid produces this result. I don't think in this context, the correct phrasing is to say that WHG contains East Eurasian, but rather that WHG contains 6% alleles that look like current East Eurasian at a low K level (K3). You may want to dig around to read how these Admixture tests work. It may help with understanding.

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    Thanks for the answer!))

    We need to think about it))

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    I am not the right person to explain the precise details, but will try a little. Loschbour and WHG are "ancient" concepts derived from actual ancient people's remains. This K3 test is derived, I think, from recent populations with the most basic of splits. So, testing an ancient remain against this K3 grid produces this result. I don't think in this context, the correct phrasing is to say that WHG contains East Eurasian, but rather that WHG contains 6% alleles that look like current East Eurasian at a low K level (K3). You may want to dig around to read how these Admixture tests work. It may help with understanding.
    If this new population, then perhaps this West Asian admixture of these people? For example, EHG

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    For example, in ngasan as watched tests in other calculators, there are several percent of West Asian components

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    La Brana (WHG)

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 87.01
    2 E_Eurasian 11.94
    3 SSA 1.05

    Motala (WHG)

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 92.04
    2 E_Eurasian 7.96

    Samara (EHG)

    Population
    E_Eurasian 13.78
    SSA -
    W_Eurasian 86.22

    Anatolia (ENF?)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 97.73
    2 SSA 2.27

    Population
    E_Eurasian -
    SSA 1.33
    W_Eurasian 98.67


    Satsurblia (CHG)
    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 89.14
    2 E_Eurasian 6.92
    3 SSA 3.94
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    I am here for the sake of interest to compare the results in K7 (supposedly this calculator good isolates East Asia) with this calculator

    Here are my results

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    #   Population   Percent
    1    Atlantic_Baltic    77.31
    2    West_Asian    10.51
    3    Southern    8.52
    4    Siberian    2.63
    5    South_Asian    0.95
    6    East_Asian    0.07
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	W_Eurasian 	93.40
    2 	E_Eurasian 	6.60

    The result of the other person (Ukrainian)

    Code:
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	Atlantic_Baltic 	78.51
    2 	West_Asian 	10.61
    3 	Southern 	6.18
    4 	Siberian 	2.97
    5 	South_Asian 	1.74
    
    E_Eurasian	5.45
    SSA	0.20
    W_Eurasian	94.34

    His Siberia and the southern Asia have more than at me in K7.

    But nevertheless in K3 of the western Asia he has more))
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSlava View Post
    I am here for the sake of interest to compare the results in K7 (supposedly this calculator good isolates East Asia) with this calculator

    Here are my results

    Code:
    #   Population   Percent
    1    Atlantic_Baltic    77.31
    2    West_Asian    10.51
    3    Southern    8.52
    4    Siberian    2.63
    5    South_Asian    0.95
    6    East_Asian    0.07
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	W_Eurasian 	93.40
    2 	E_Eurasian 	6.60

    The result of the other person (Ukrainian)

    Code:
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	Atlantic_Baltic 	78.51
    2 	West_Asian 	10.61
    3 	Southern 	6.18
    4 	Siberian 	2.97
    5 	South_Asian 	1.74
    
    E_Eurasian	5.45
    SSA	0.20
    W_Eurasian	94.34

    His Siberia and the southern Asia have more than at me in K7.

    But nevertheless in K3 of the western Asia he has more))
    Admixture calculators are not formal mixture tests, what's really in those components is different in each calculator and depends on the number and type of samples used in the initial run its maker used to create it and varies in each different calculator.

    If you're comparing yourself to that Ukrainian, in the end you'd need d-stat comparisons or IBS comparisons to see which one of you is closer to West Europeans, Africans, East Asians etc.

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    I think I have the smallest East Eurasian score so far, it doesn't even show up at oracle, but it shows at 0.56% on the admix graph page.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 86.45
    2 SSA 12.99


    Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
    3 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Palestinian @ 2.641951
    2 Jordanian @ 3.216098
    3 BedouinA @ 3.542989
    4 Yemenite_Jew @ 3.843181
    5 Saudi @ 4.333367
    6 Syrian @ 4.705318
    7 Lebanese @ 6.035286
    8 Iraqi_Jew @ 11.723847
    9 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 12.545339
    10 Iranian_Jew @ 12.558167
    11 Kurd_C @ 12.722548
    12 Assyrian @ 12.894710
    13 Yemen @ 13.029969
    14 Georgian_Jew @ 13.322636
    15 Cypriot @ 13.331343
    16 Sicilian @ 13.395730
    17 Iranian @ 13.503153
    18 Kurd_N @ 13.673876
    19 Armenian @ 13.980102
    20 Georgian @ 15.174612

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% BedouinA +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 0.000000
    2 50% BedouinA +50% Saudi @ 0.589776
    3 50% BedouinA +50% Palestinian @ 0.873217
    4 50% BedouinA +50% Lebanese @ 1.793623
    5 50% BedouinA +50% Jordanian @ 1.815088
    6 50% Cypriot +50% Yemen @ 1.865586
    7 50% BedouinA +50% Syrian @ 1.913796
    8 50% Sicilian +50% Yemen @ 2.059243
    9 50% Spanish +50% Yemen @ 2.291312
    10 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Yemen @ 2.494665
    11 50% Sardinian +50% Yemen @ 2.524116
    12 50% LBK_EN +50% Yemen @ 2.600816
    13 50% Palestinian +50% Palestinian @ 2.641951
    14 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Yemen @ 2.659671
    15 50% Jordanian +50% Palestinian @ 2.786068
    16 50% Greek +50% Yemen @ 2.840214
    17 50% Assyrian +50% Yemen @ 2.858226
    18 50% Bergamo +50% Yemen @ 2.948410
    19 50% French_South +50% Yemen @ 2.966117
    20 50% Albanian +50% Yemen @ 3.086601


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% BedouinA +25% Yemenite_Jew +25% Yemenite_Jew @ 0.000000

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