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    Tanais Kurgan has R1a

    MAYTR=my yfull PROFILE/
    9E5FG=his
    Tanais the ancient sythian had R1a1a.
    DYS389I=13
    DYS389II=30
    DYS458= 15
    DYS385=11
    DYS393=13
    DYS391=11
    DYS635=23
    DYS437 =14
    DYS448 =19
    http://snag.gy/FEaVW.jpg
    http://ssc-ras.ru/files/files/Southe...Population.pdf
    + (Don Armenians= E1b1b1-m35 с субветвями
    составляет 19 %, j2-m172 с субветвями 17 %,
    j1-m267 с субветвями 16 %, R1a1-m198 13 %)
    Maternal Uncle y-line= F0R1b1-L21

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    Definitely appears to be R1a. The attached articles are in Russian. Can anyone offer anymore information about the sample?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    Can anyone offer anymore information about the sample?
    My post from another thread:

    I've created his profile on Ysearch and searched for a matches, the closest 5 at the distance of 1 were:
    Surikov (Russia) 13 25 16 11 11 11 10 13 11 30 15 14 20 12 16 11 23
    Anokhin (Russia) 13 25 15 11 11 11 10 13 11 30 15 14 20 13 15 11 23
    Tká(sic!) (Slovakia) 13 25 16 11 11 11 13 30 15 14 20 13 16 11 23
    Webber (Unknown, probably England) 14 24 15 11 11 11 12 11 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 24 14 19 31 12 15 15 16 11 10 19 21 15
    Constantinov (Russia) 13 25 16 11 11 11 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 14 19 32 12 13 15 19 21 11 15 14 24
    Maybe that would be better to use database of Semargl, he has much more listed haplotypes than Ysearch. I think that those Russian haplotypes may be Z280 whereas Scythian was rather Z93. But I asked lgmayka for assistance.

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    People say R1a is 17,000 years old it is not that simple. R1a split from R1b about 20,000-22,000 years ago, so you could say that R1a is 20,000 years old . However All R1a that has been discovered shares an ancestor within the last 7,000 years so in another sense of the word R1a is only 7,000 years old, small divergent clades have been found in Iran a d Turkey and Europe Z93+ZZ83 which takes up 99+ percent of living R1a split only probably 6,000-,6,500 years ago. Ever since analylizing Mal'ta I have discovered most haplogroups have two ages. I share a common male ancestor with someone with R1a-z280 within probably 3,000-4,000 years however if it takes me 6,500 years to go back to someone with R1a-z93 it takes me according to my math 5,925 to go back to someone with R1a-458 so I am almost as different from someone with R1a M-458 as I am from someone with R1a-z93 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    Definitely appears to be R1a. The attached articles are in Russian. Can anyone offer anymore information about the sample?
    I put the brief paper in question through Google translate. It gives almost no information about the sample, simply referring to ancient people inhabitaing the lower reaches of the River Don at least 3000 years ago, which would be 1000 BC+. It seems to be more of an experiment to see if Y-DNA could be extracted than a full study.

    R1a1a is exactly what I would expect for that place and time, but I think I had better wait for a more detailed study testing SNPs before I put anything into my online table.
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    30,955 BC R split from Q,

    25,414 BC R1 split from R2


    20981 BC R1a split from R1b

    r1B-z2105= 6161 BC: SPLIT COMMON ANCESTOR=
    R1b-z2105 = 5053 bc

    2772 BC R1a common Ancestor


    2356 BC R1a-z83 common ancestor:

    2495 BC R1a-z93 common ancestor:
    + Z94 also 2356 BC
    according to Mal;ta and Rootsi BC=(Before Christ)
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    Quote Originally Posted by venustas View Post
    2356 BC R1a-z83 common ancestor:+ Z94

    2495 BC R1a-z93 common ancestor:
    No. You've misread the phylogeny.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    I did not misread the Phylogeny the Z94 clade of Z93 is the same age as
    R1a-z283
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    Quote Originally Posted by venustas View Post
    I did not misread the Phylogeny the Z94 clade of Z93 is the same age as
    R1a-z83
    Z645 is the common ancestor of a Z283 and Z93

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    Quote Originally Posted by venustas View Post
    People say R1a is 17,000 years old it is not that simple. R1a split from R1b about 20,000-22,000 years ago, so you could say that R1a is 20,000 years old . However All R1a that has been discovered shares an ancestor within the last 7,000 years so in another sense of the word R1a is only 7,000 years old, small divergent clades have been found in Iran a d Turkey and Europe Z93+ZZ83 which takes up 99+ percent of living R1a split only probably 6,000-,6,500 years ago. Ever since analylizing Mal'ta I have discovered most haplogroups have two ages. I share a common male ancestor with someone with R1a-z280 within probably 3,000-4,000 years however if it takes me 6,500 years to go back to someone with R1a-z93 it takes me according to my math 5,925 to go back to someone with R1a-458 so I am almost as different from someone with R1a M-458 as I am from someone with R1a-z93 .
    I think you meant Z283 and not Z83 in that other post, however your point highlighted above is well taken. Even the divergent lines found in Iran and Turkey will be found to share a recent ancestor, likely younger than M417 and even perhaps Z645.

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