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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamluk View Post
    I am still a stubborn proponent of the Khazar hypothesis.
    What is the genetic evidence supporting the Khazar hypothesis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    What is the genetic evidence supporting the Khazar hypothesis?
    Mamluk himself is part of the puzzle as he is Z2472+ upstream of Z2474/M582 along with the Iberian HG01617 who shares SNPs further down.

    We could also perhaps test some purported Khazar descendants in the Crimea and Kiev areas (and perhaps in Spain (Toledo/Tolitula) and Azerbaizan if they can be located). pg 177 http://books.google.com/books?id=hEuIveNl9kcC&pg=PA193
    (1) Nicholas Andrew Bell, a descendant of Jews from Kiev who claimed Khazar ancestry; (2) Ben R. Rosenthal and Hinda Waldman, descendants of Jews from Ladyzhin who claimed Khazar ... (3) David M. Razler ... (4) Gregory A. Kosarin ... Kazarinsky

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    Here is a map of "Khazaria." I think that some of these supposed "Khazar" lines may be confused with genuine Jewish links with areas to the south, including Mesopotamia and Persia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    Here is a map of "Khazaria." I think that some of these supposed "Khazar" lines may be confused with genuine Jewish links with areas to the south, including Mesopotamia and Persia.

    The Khazars had been driven out from the core area of Khazaria (the Caspian-Volga region) shown for 650 to 850AD. After 1000 AD Khazaria was limited to Crimea (Gazaria). In 1158 they tried to recover some of their ancestral lands.

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    Looking at the map, the core Khazar area was situated in the northern Caucasus. Indirect genetic evidence of Khazar continuity in modern Ashkenazi Jewish folk should therefore include signs of North Caucasian admixture (I have IBD segments in mind here) that sets them apart from both East European and Near-Eastern groups which aren't likely to have it.

    Do Ashkenazi Jews show any evidence of this? Has this been looked into?

    Also, I couldn't help notice on the map that a Greek colony once existed beneath the Aral sea... Could this be the source of that consistent (but very low frequency) Y-DNA I enthusiasts looking into that part of Eurasia (such as myself) keep noticing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Looking at the map, the core Khazar area was situated in the northern Caucasus. Indirect genetic evidence of Khazar continuity in modern Ashkenazi Jewish folk should therefore include signs of North Caucasian admixture (I have IBD segments in mind here) that sets them apart from both East European and Near-Eastern groups which aren't likely to have it.

    Do Ashkenazi Jews show any evidence of this? Has this been looked into? ...
    How about your matches? You are part Azeri right? The eastern portion of modern Azerbaijan would be part of the Khazar core. The Caspian there was (is?) known as the Khazar deniz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    How about your matches? You are part Azeri right? The eastern portion of modern Azerbaijan would be part of the Khazar core. The Caspian there was (is?) known as the Khazar deniz.
    The "Khazar core" was located that far south?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    Looking at the map, the core Khazar area was situated in the northern Caucasus. Indirect genetic evidence of Khazar continuity in modern Ashkenazi Jewish folk should therefore include signs of North Caucasian admixture (I have IBD segments in mind here) that sets them apart from both East European and Near-Eastern groups which aren't likely to have it.

    Do Ashkenazi Jews show any evidence of this? Has this been looked into?
    No...



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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    How about your matches? You are part Azeri right? The eastern portion of modern Azerbaijan would be part of the Khazar core. The Caspian there was (is?) known as the Khazar deniz.
    I am half Azeri (Iranian, not from the Republic), yes. I also do have more "real" North Caucasian-specific IBD segments than the average Iranian (confirmed by both Dodecad and Eurogenes).

    However, my results are not informative in this context, as I have an oral tradition of recent ancestry from some sort of Iranian-speaking group in the Caucasus. A minority of my ancestry is therefore from an extent group north of Iran. That confounds any interpretation of my results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    No...
    Fantastic we have some data to confirm or deny the link - In this case, a fairly strong denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    The "Khazar core" was located that far south?
    Difficult to be sure, but yes I think so. Though Sassanid and later Arab pressure had them move back and forth.
    As early as ~200AD their presence is mentioned in Armenia by Moses of Chorene (writing in the 5th century). Arab account also places them in the Georgia (Jurzan) and Azerbaijain (Arran) which after 531AD came under Sassanid control.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=bcWtttJL3WEC&pg=PA305
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