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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Yes, thanks, but how many SNPs (shared and private) SNPs approximately downstream (below) of M241 via L283 and Z2432 in the FGC or BigY tested cases ? What would be the average number of SNPs since the bifurcation ?
    There's quite a few actually. You can check Yfull for the full tree.

    http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M241/

    I don't know of any J-M241 individuals, South Asians at least, who have gotten the deeper Y tests.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Positive for Z2433, testing Z2437 and Y958 next.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    Just digging into the limited surname information. I assumed British, I didn't know there was a FtDNA group. We are just starting looking at it. Thanks.

    MJost
    Update with Doug McDonald's review.
    English= 0.911 Sicily= 0.089 or
    English= 0.875 Tuscan= 0.125 or
    English= 0.845 Italian= 0.155 or
    which is just a bit Continental but basically British

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    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangarius View Post

    Globally the peak of the distribution is located in the Balkans where it is thought to have originated. This site claims it's concentrated highest in Kosovar Albanians with around 17%.

    There are theories that claim the haplogroup was spread from the Balkans through Alexander's troups which he recruited in Macedonia. This seems plausible for the spread in Europe, but the presence of J2b2 in India seems to predate this events.

    Has anybody more information?
    J-M241
    Age estimates for haplogroup M241:
    India and Nepal 20.1 ± 6 ky; Turkey 9.1 ± 2 ky; Italy/Apulia 9.1 ± 4 ky;
    Bulgaria/Center 7.8 ± 3 ky; Greece 2.7 ± 1 2 ky
    Albania 4.0 ± 2 ky; Gheg Shqiptars in R Macedonia , brothers of Kosovar Albanians 2.1± 1 ky;
    Karachanak 2013-Y-Chromosome Diversity in Modern Bulgarians New Clues about Their Ancestry
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    Tested negative for Y958, now just waiting on Z2437.

    The total SNP list from YSEQ so far is:

    CTS9192- FGC9538- M4874- Z2443-, FGC6701-, Z2432+, Z2433+, M6354- Y958-
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 08-07-2014 at 11:27 AM.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    I tested negative ("C-") at YSEQ for Z2437. So that makes:

    CTS9192- FGC9538- M4874- Z2443-, FGC6701-, Z2432+, Z2433+, M6354- Y958-, Z2437-
    Here's the tree again:

    http://i.imgur.com/fKy0P5y.png

    So I guess until I take Big Y or a similar test, I am J-Z2433*. There aren't any others listed for that at Yfull: http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M241/

    EDIT: Added myself on the tree: http://i.imgur.com/JmkxCkZ.png
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 08-14-2014 at 02:25 AM.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangarius View Post
    The distribution in Anatolia is linked to Phrygian Settlements. My paternal line is from Sangarius, modern-day Sakarya, it's where the home of the Phrygians was located.

    Globally the peak of the distribution is located in the Balkans where it is thought to have originated. This site claims it's concentrated highest in Kosovar Albanians with around 17%.

    There are theories that claim the haplogroup was spread from the Balkans through Alexander's troups which he recruited in Macedonia. This seems plausible for the spread in Europe, but the presence of J2b2 in India seems to predate this events.

    Has anybody more information?
    second, Macedonian language is IE language..
    third, the J2a-M410 populations may have been speaking a non-Indo-European language with affinities to the Hattic language of central Anatolia (Nichols 2007).
    King 2008-Differential Y-chromosome Anatolian Influences on the Greek and Cretan Neolithic

    Boattini 2011-Linking Italy and the Balkans. A Y-chromosome perspective from the Arbereshe of Calabria
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokousa View Post
    J-M241
    Age estimates for haplogroup M241:
    India and Nepal 20.1 ± 6 ky; Turkey 9.1 ± 2 ky; Italy/Apulia 9.1 ± 4 ky;
    Bulgaria/Center 7.8 ± 3 ky; Greece 2.7 ± 1 2 ky
    Albania 4.0 ± 2 ky; Gheg Shqiptars in R Macedonia , brothers of Kosovar Albanians 2.1± 1 ky;
    Karachanak 2013-Y-Chromosome Diversity in Modern Bulgarians New Clues about Their Ancestry
    I don't really get this age estimate thing. In India there live 1 billion people or more. Since there is a so extreme number for mutation doesn't it effects the probability of a false prediction?

    I'm J2b* M241- M205- myself. I was tested negative for CTS494 and Z1825 http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M102/ , meaning my clade is older or as old as M205 and M241. Or I'm like J2b* with no clades. In FTDNA projects the majority of J2b* M205- M241- people is Jewish. There are some Armenians (my genetic cousins among them) and a few guys from the Anglo-Saxon world. There are one single person from Turkey, Qatar, Bulgaria and Ukraine. I'm from Hungary, but the overwhelming majority of Hungarian J2b are J2b2, and my genetic connection with Armenian J2b* people presumes an Armenian origin. So I really think the origins of J2b comes back to the Fertile Crescent.
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    I recently got tested with 23andme and i got J2B2* in my paternal line and i'm from south-asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenji.aryan View Post
    I recently got tested with 23andme and i got J2B2* in my paternal line and i'm from south-asia.
    Cool, welcome to the forum

    If you're interesting in running any further tests, YSEQ.net offers individual SNP testing for the South Asian J2b2* line. See this diagram:

    http://i.imgur.com/JmkxCkZ.png
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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