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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    That's why threads go on in time with new posts in new pages discussing newer developments. Feel free to create a newer thread if old posts in this one offend you. Otherwise, stay on topic please.
    I do think this thread has been very informative overall. The best there is regarding J2b2-M241, IMO.

    However, I think this nonsense and derogatory posts by user "Rokousa" should be deleted (all three of them):
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1#post47146
    Last edited by Trojet; 08-01-2016 at 07:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    I do think this thread has been very informative overall. The best there is regarding J2b2-M241, IMO.

    However, I think this nonsense and derogatory posts by user "Rokousa" should be deleted (all three of them):
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1#post47146
    Doubt he will do it since Mcninja even liked his posts.

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    I removed and edited out the offensive statements. Olive picker, stay on topic.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Ok, so what is the general consensus regarding the history of this haplogroup?

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    M241-L283 possibly spread from Neolithic Anatolia...

    Until we find it in ancient DNA, we'll forever be guessing
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    M241-L283 possibly spread from Neolithic Anatolia...

    Until we find it in ancient DNA, we'll forever be guessing
    Hopefully we will get more data soon, it is a rather unique and interesting haplogroup (not biased )
    Last edited by olive picker; 08-15-2016 at 06:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    My step-son just came back J2b2* from 23andme. English surname Warden. He wont be expecting that result.

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    My last name is Warden (FTDNA #507599) It is a very difficult name to track down, numerous spelling variations, geographical ties (i.e. Normandy, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Scotland, England, etc..) Check out my FTDNA results and my other (couple) of posts (not many, longtime viewer, newbie poster). Any info I can provide in terms of genealogy I am happy to provide just PM me. My Warden family goes back to TN, KY, NC, VA, Scotland/Ireland. Earliest relative is Robert Warden came over to "one of the Carolinas as early as 1755".
    "The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands..."

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    We had a kit with origins in Portugal join the J-M241 project. According to Geno 2 NG, he has tested as J2b2a1-L283+ (Z600-) and may belong to J-YP29 found in Sardinia. This obviously raises the question from where and how L283 expanded, considering the wide (north) Mediterranien spread of early L283 branches, which are absent from the Balkans:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L283/

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    In case any happen by, I no longer recommend Asian/Middle Eastern/South Asian J2b2* users purchase the J2-M172 SNP Pack from Family Tree DNA as they have removed approximately half the tree from the test.

    The equivalent test from YSEQ.net is cheaper ($99) and more exhaustive:

    https://www.yseq.net/product_info.ph...a1b516b6252de4

    You can join the J-M241 project at FTDNA if you have taken a Y-STR test from them and e-mail us the results from the YSEQ test and we'll place you in the appropriate category. ChrisR can still add you to his tree found at j2-m172.info
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Thank you, Vince T! I ordered some SNP test and my fothers sample (J-Z639+) is Z8428 -, Z8429-, CTS11760-, Z8425-, PH1656- (negative). I am waithing for results of Z1043. I do not understand really FTDNA J-M241 tree. Near Z1043 is also written Z8425 and I am wondering if it is possible that all who are negative for Z8425 are also negative for Z1043. In Yseq the J2 tree is different, Z1043 branch is ancestral to Z8425. Anyway, I observed also STR markers and found that (till now) only two samples (inside J2b) match AT THE SAME TIME on THREE markers: DYS385a=10, DYS439=11 and DYS458=17 like my fother Manfreda. Both are from Sicilia. Maybe I should waith and when more samples J2b from south Italy will be available, I can try to test the same SNPs than they will have +. Do you have maybe some other idea? Thank you very mutch!

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