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    I tried these K36 populations with myAverages. Probably Agamemnon has done these already, but still interesting.

    Ashkenazi - "myAverages"

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    N_Levant_AinGhazal        CHL_Armenia      CHL_Anatolian        BA_Mycenean 
              17.86878           22.50467           24.69141           26.03770 
              BA_Sydon   BA_Crete_Armenoi            IA_Iran      Egyptian_mumy 
              26.27841           27.20055           27.66523           28.17664
    [1] "distance%=5.0941 / distance=0.050941"
    Askhenazi
    BA_Mycenean 25.60
    IA_Levant-Egypt 24.25
    CHL_Armenia 14.80
    IA_Celtic_Britain 12.40
    BA_Sydon 8.95
    N_Ireland 6.60
    CWC_Poland 3.05
    BA_Crete_Armenoi 2.75
    Late_Medieval_Iran 1.60


    Sephardi_Jews - "myAverages"

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    N_Levant_AinGhazal           BA_Sydon      Egyptian_mumy    IA_Levant-Egypt     
              15.29767           20.61705           21.53822           23.16357 
    Egyptian_mummy      CHL_Anatolian          BA_Levant        CHL_Armenia  
              24.70827           26.28200           27.87911           28.24374
    [1] "distance%=4.9463 / distance=0.049463"
    Sephardi
    IA_Levant-Egypt 48.85
    BA_Mycenean 18.40
    N_Ireland 13.15
    CHL_Armenia 6.45
    N_Levant_AinGhazal 5.80
    IA_Celtic_Britain 3.80
    CHL_Iran 2.70
    N_Portugal 0.50
    IA_Iran 0.35

    the Neolithic Ireland puzzled me, but it's present in Portuguese too; probably West-European farmers I think.

    Portugal - "myAverages"

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
              BA_Hungary  IA_Celtic_Britain    IA_Britain_York        BA_Portugal 
              15.62291           23.24896           23.76874           24.46856           
    BA_Unetice_Czechia   N_Sweden_N_Gökhem        BA_Germany_          N_Ireland 
    	  24.81706           25.22672           25.40458           25.86895
    [1] "distance%=6.0743 / distance=0.060743"
    Portugal
    N_Ireland 39.90
    IA_Celtic_Britain 34.40
    BA_Unetice_Czechia 8.90
    N_Levant_AinGhazal 8.10
    IA_Levant-Egypt 3.80
    CWC_Poland 3.35
    BA_Mycenean 1.55
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    The Benelux (K36), myAverages, restricted mode.

    Some observations:

    Decrease of Anglo-Saxon ties from north to south, with Flanders having a lower distance to it than South_Dutch, which is consistent with the Saxons settling in Flanders.
    Increase of ties with the IA British Celtic and BA Hungary from north to south.
    Increase of BA Mycenean from north to south, lacking in North_Dutch, (maybe this is Roman? Tuscans score ca. 43% BA Mycenean).
    Presence of Mesolithic Hungary in North_Dutch.
    Presence of EMA Slav in Central_Dutch, maybe connected with the ongoing immigration of Germans to the cities (?). (anecdote: I once came across a "Lithuanian maid" in baptismal records, who begot a child in a central Dutch village, 18th century; they were not very widespread though, I think).

    North Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
         EMA_Anglosaxon  BA_Unetice_Germany          CWC_Sweden          EMA_Sweden
               6.768905            7.029429            7.999966           10.670024     
         CWC_Denmark     IA_Britain_York         CWC_Germany Bell_Beaker_Germany  
               10.919891           11.128716           11.489188           12.283906
    [1] "distance%=2.619 / distance=0.02619"
    North_Dutch
    EMA_Anglosaxon 52.35
    CWC_Denmark 13.20
    Mesolithic_Hungary 12.35
    IA_Celtic_Britain 10.50
    BA_Germany_ 4.95
    IA_Wielbark 4.20
    CWC_Poland 2.45


    Central Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
         EMA_Anglosaxon     IA_Britain_York         CWC_Denmark  BA_Unetice_Germany
               9.466420            9.612921           10.551786           10.753430    
         CWC_Sweden       BA_Unetice_Czechia         IA_Wielbark BA_Urnfield_Germany 
              12.875112           13.602864           13.964378           14.722560
    [1] "distance%=3.352 / distance=0.03352"
    Central_Dutch
    EMA_Anglosaxon 62.90
    N_Sweden_Gokhem 6.75
    EMA_Poland_Slav 5.05
    IA_Wielbark 4.25
    BA_Mycenean 4.00
    CWC_Denmark 3.95
    CWC_Poland 3.75
    IA_Britain_York 3.20
    EMA_Czech_Slav 2.60
    BA_Hungary 2.15
    IA_Celtic_Britain 1.40


    South Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia  BA_Unetice_Germany  
               8.503342           13.220892           13.667598           14.748703 
           CWC_Denmark      EMA_Anglosaxon BA_Urnfield_Germany          BA_Hungary  
              15.379600           16.208186           16.276443           16.515708
    [1] "distance%=4.6184 / distance=0.046184"
    South_Dutch
    IA_Britain_York 34.75
    EMA_Anglosaxon 18.60
    BA_Hungary 14.75
    IA_Celtic_Britain 10.85
    BA_Mycenean 5.90
    CWC_Poland 4.60
    N_Sweden_Gokhem 4.45
    IA_Wielbark 3.60
    CWC_Denmark 2.50


    Flemish

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia  BA_Unetice_Germany 
               8.050424           11.890191           11.975340           13.561274  
        BA_Urnfield_Germany      EMA_Anglosaxon         CWC_Denmark Bell_Beaker_Germany  
             15.684120           15.770478           15.819647           16.016405
    [1] "distance%=3.5785 / distance=0.035785"
    Flemish
    EMA_Anglosaxon 30.75
    IA_Celtic_Britain 30.40
    BA_Hungary 29.70
    BA_Mycenean 5.25
    CWC_Poland 2.75
    Mesolithic_CCC_Estonia 1.15


    Walloon

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia          BA_Hungary  
               9.537646           12.478919           13.796473           15.720277          
    BA_Unetice_Germany   BA_Urnfield_Germany      EMA_Anglosaxon         CWC_Denmark  
              16.022274           17.265472           17.815379           17.842519
    [1] "distance%=4.977 / distance=0.04977"
    Walloon
    IA_Celtic_Britain 42.15
    BA_Hungary 26.90
    EMA_Anglosaxon 17.75
    BA_Mycenean 9.45
    IA_Wielbark 3.75
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    East_Central_Euro
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    East_Med
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    Eastern_Euro
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    Iberian
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    Indo-Chinese
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    North_Atlantic
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    North_Sea
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    Northeast_African
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    K36 Ancient - Mesolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic



    Code:
    1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
      CHL_Armenia_I1632 EN_Anatolia_Tepe002   CHL_Armenia_I1407   CHL_Armenia_I1409 
               19.98561            22.55575            23.31707            23.83449 
      CHL_Armenia_I1634     N_Bar8_Anatolia    N_Bar31_Anatolia CHL_Anatolian_I1584 
               23.94574            26.40049            26.96334            27.04111
    [1] "distance%=9.4762 / distance=0.094762"

    sorcelow

    CHL_Armenia_I1634 25.25
    N_Hungary_NE4 18.90
    Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0806 13.05
    EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 10.25
    CHL_Iran_I1665 8.35
    N_Levant_AinGhazal4 7.10
    CWC_Poland_RISE1 6.20
    N_Germany_I0048 5.80
    Mesolithic_Sweden_Ajvide59 3.45
    Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala06 1.65



    K36 Ancient - Bronze Age, Iron Age, early Medieval Age

    Code:
    1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
       LBA_Armenia_RISE397         BA_Hungary_BR2      BA_I9006_Mycenean 
                  19.92507               23.78508               24.52048 
        BA_I9041_Mycenaean     BA_I9033_Mycenaean BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi 
                  26.78636               26.82173               27.83724 
        BA_Hungary_RISE480     BA_Hungary_RISE483 
                  29.70565               29.94244
    [1] "distance%=6.8917 / distance=0.068917"

    sorcelow

    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 44.10
    BA_Potapovka_I0246 10.00
    IA_Levant-Egypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 8.30
    EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 7.10
    EBA_Armenia_I1658 7.05
    EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE569 5.95
    LBA_Armenia_RISE396 5.65
    BA_Sydon 4.90
    BA_Hungary_BR2 4.00
    IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL 2.00
    MBA_Armenia_RISE416 0.95




    K36 Ancient - ALL AGES

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    LBA_Armenia_RISE397   CHL_Armenia_I1632 EN_Anatolia_Tepe002   CHL_Armenia_I1407 
               19.92507            19.98561            22.55575            23.31707 
         BA_Hungary_BR2   CHL_Armenia_I1409   CHL_Armenia_I1634   BA_I9006_Mycenean 
               23.78508            23.83449            23.94574            24.52048
    [1] "distance%=6.2461 / distance=0.062461"

    sorcelow

    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 39.30
    CHL_Armenia_I1634 15.95
    BA_Sydon 9.35
    EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 7.60
    EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE569 6.20
    N_Levant_AinGhazal5 4.55
    CHL_Armenia_I1409 4.35
    BA_Potapovka_I0246 4.15
    LBA_Armenia_RISE396 4.00
    CWC_Poland_RISE1 3.05
    Mesolithic_Sweden_Ajvide59 1.50

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    Mine

     

    Amerindian 0.21
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 2.09
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian 1.34
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 3.78
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 3.75
    Fennoscandian 5.97
    French 5.82
    Iberian 15.09
    Indo-Chinese 4.91
    Italian 3.18
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 12.71
    North_Caucasian 1.64
    North_Sea 17.87
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic 0.73
    Pygmy 1.51
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 2.13
    South_Central_Asian 2.30
    South_Chinese 3.81
    Volga-Ural 3.62
    West_African 5.82
    West_Caucasian 1.44
    West_Med 0.30


    Mum

     

    Amerindian 0.12
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 0.47
    Central_African 0.97
    Central_Euro -
    East_African 1.81
    East_Asian 8.73
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 3.21
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 1.95
    Fennoscandian 4.86
    French 1.80
    Iberian 9.17
    Indo-Chinese 2.06
    Italian 4.27
    Malayan 5.67
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 7.22
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 13.58
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 1.10
    Omotic 0.07
    Pygmy 2.84
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 6.33
    South_Central_Asian 0.80
    South_Chinese 6.35
    Volga-Ural 3.62
    West_African 11.77
    West_Caucasian 0.51
    West_Med 0.75
    Ethnogene: 51.4% NW European, 21.6% W European, 10.1% Southeastern African, 9.5% Southeast Asian, 4.4% South Asian, 2% Scandinavian, 1% East African
    Papertrail @ 2xggrandparents: 37.5% London, 25% Dorset, 25% Mauritius, 6.25% Netherlands, 6.25% Hampshire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    The Benelux (K36), myAverages, restricted mode.

    Some observations:

    Decrease of Anglo-Saxon ties from north to south, with Flanders having a lower distance to it than South_Dutch, which is consistent with the Saxons settling in Flanders.
    Increase of ties with the IA British Celtic and BA Hungary from north to south.
    Increase of BA Mycenean from north to south, lacking in North_Dutch, (maybe this is Roman? Tuscans score ca. 43% BA Mycenean).
    Presence of Mesolithic Hungary in North_Dutch.
    Presence of EMA Slav in Central_Dutch, maybe connected with the ongoing immigration of Germans to the cities (?). (anecdote: I once came across a "Lithuanian maid" in baptismal records, who begot a child in a central Dutch village, 18th century; they were not very widespread though, I think).

    North Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
         EMA_Anglosaxon  BA_Unetice_Germany          CWC_Sweden          EMA_Sweden
               6.768905            7.029429            7.999966           10.670024     
         CWC_Denmark     IA_Britain_York         CWC_Germany Bell_Beaker_Germany  
               10.919891           11.128716           11.489188           12.283906
    [1] "distance%=2.619 / distance=0.02619"
    North_Dutch
    EMA_Anglosaxon 52.35
    CWC_Denmark 13.20
    Mesolithic_Hungary 12.35
    IA_Celtic_Britain 10.50
    BA_Germany_ 4.95
    IA_Wielbark 4.20
    CWC_Poland 2.45


    Central Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
         EMA_Anglosaxon     IA_Britain_York         CWC_Denmark  BA_Unetice_Germany
               9.466420            9.612921           10.551786           10.753430    
         CWC_Sweden       BA_Unetice_Czechia         IA_Wielbark BA_Urnfield_Germany 
              12.875112           13.602864           13.964378           14.722560
    [1] "distance%=3.352 / distance=0.03352"
    Central_Dutch
    EMA_Anglosaxon 62.90
    N_Sweden_Gokhem 6.75
    EMA_Poland_Slav 5.05
    IA_Wielbark 4.25
    BA_Mycenean 4.00
    CWC_Denmark 3.95
    CWC_Poland 3.75
    IA_Britain_York 3.20
    EMA_Czech_Slav 2.60
    BA_Hungary 2.15
    IA_Celtic_Britain 1.40


    South Dutch

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia  BA_Unetice_Germany  
               8.503342           13.220892           13.667598           14.748703 
           CWC_Denmark      EMA_Anglosaxon BA_Urnfield_Germany          BA_Hungary  
              15.379600           16.208186           16.276443           16.515708
    [1] "distance%=4.6184 / distance=0.046184"
    South_Dutch
    IA_Britain_York 34.75
    EMA_Anglosaxon 18.60
    BA_Hungary 14.75
    IA_Celtic_Britain 10.85
    BA_Mycenean 5.90
    CWC_Poland 4.60
    N_Sweden_Gokhem 4.45
    IA_Wielbark 3.60
    CWC_Denmark 2.50


    Flemish

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia  BA_Unetice_Germany 
               8.050424           11.890191           11.975340           13.561274  
        BA_Urnfield_Germany      EMA_Anglosaxon         CWC_Denmark Bell_Beaker_Germany  
             15.684120           15.770478           15.819647           16.016405
    [1] "distance%=3.5785 / distance=0.035785"
    Flemish
    EMA_Anglosaxon 30.75
    IA_Celtic_Britain 30.40
    BA_Hungary 29.70
    BA_Mycenean 5.25
    CWC_Poland 2.75
    Mesolithic_CCC_Estonia 1.15


    Walloon

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
        IA_Britain_York   IA_Celtic_Britain  BA_Unetice_Czechia          BA_Hungary  
               9.537646           12.478919           13.796473           15.720277          
    BA_Unetice_Germany   BA_Urnfield_Germany      EMA_Anglosaxon         CWC_Denmark  
              16.022274           17.265472           17.815379           17.842519
    [1] "distance%=4.977 / distance=0.04977"
    Walloon
    IA_Celtic_Britain 42.15
    BA_Hungary 26.90
    EMA_Anglosaxon 17.75
    BA_Mycenean 9.45
    IA_Wielbark 3.75
    Thanks! Germanic or Anglo Saxon spread as the most clear result. Mesolithic Hungary for the North puzzles me, Eastern Bell Beaker influence!? Or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFWinstone View Post
    Would someone be able to do mine and mum's please? Thank you
    Mine

     

    Amerindian 0.21
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 2.09
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian 1.34
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 3.78
    East_Med - 6
    Eastern_Euro 3.75
    Fennoscandian 5.97
    French 5.82
    Iberian 15.09
    Indo-Chinese 4.91
    Italian 3.18
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 12.71
    North_Caucasian 1.64
    North_Sea 17.87
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic 0.73
    Pygmy 1.51
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 2.13
    South_Central_Asian 2.30
    South_Chinese 3.81
    Volga-Ural 3.62
    West_African 5.82
    West_Caucasian 1.44
    West_Med 0.30


    Mum

     

    Amerindian 0.12
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 0.47
    Central_African 0.97
    Central_Euro -
    East_African 1.81
    East_Asian 8.73
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 3.21
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 1.95
    Fennoscandian 4.86
    French 1.80
    Iberian 9.17
    Indo-Chinese 2.06
    Italian 4.27
    Malayan 5.67
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 7.22
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 13.58
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian 1.10
    Omotic 0.07
    Pygmy 2.84
    Siberian -
    South_Asian 6.33
    South_Central_Asian 0.80
    South_Chinese 6.35
    Volga-Ural 3.62
    West_African 11.77
    West_Caucasian 0.51
    West_Med 0.75
    Yes shortly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Thanks! Germanic or Anglo Saxon spread as the most clear result. Mesolithic Hungary for the North puzzles me, Eastern Bell Beaker influence!? Or?

    If I'm correct, the Mesolithic Hungary is KO1, (Körös), who was found in Neolithic times, but plotted with WHG; I think he is used to represent WHG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    If I'm correct, the Mesolithic Hungary is KO1, (Körös), who was found in Neolithic times, but plotted with WHG; I think he is used to represent WHG.
    Yes. But the major WHG in the North Dutch case is Ertebølle like....I'am not familiar with an Ertebolle/Hungary connection.....

    What looks more plausible to me is a Eastern Bell Beaker- North Rhine Bell Beaker connection! When Eastern Beakers went into the Northern Netherlands they probably took partly mesolithic Hungarian genes with them!?

    Picture from Jean:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Yes. But the major WHG in the North Dutch case is Ertebølle like....I'am not familiar with a Ertebolle/Hungary connection.....

    What looks more plausible to me is a Eastern Bell Beaker- North Rhine Bell Beaker connection! When Eastern Beakers went into the Northern Netherlands they probably took partly mesolithic Hungarian genes with them!?

    Picture from Jean:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachme...0&d=1494748539

    Maybe; but we have to keep in mind that there are no Ertebölle samples (in these data), so it will use whatever is the closest available sample. I would imagine both the Ertebölle and this Hungary sample as being largely of WHG stock, so I find it more likely that the Hungary sample is used because of its similarity, and not because there is actual Hungary Mesolithic among the North Dutch.

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