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    Z2110 is 3 levels down from Z2103/Z2105. Unfortunately Geno 2.0 doesn't test for the two levels between them, so it won't show on Morley's spreadsheet.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Unfortunately these people haven't sent their data to Itai Perez and I am not able to enter Genographic database not having had Geno 2.0, but even though it doesn't test Z2103 and Z2105 it tests the equivalent CTS1083 and it is very unlikely that all these people have had a no call, then I think that the tree is this.

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    Unfortunately Itai Perez has two spreadsheets. One gives results for CTS1083 and the other not:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/zv0khjlk6g...mpare_view.zip

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/725ctjlxg4...sults_view.zip

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    Romitti and Seymour are certainly Z2103/Z2105+ and cannot be in the same subclade of Ware, who is CTS7822+ and by the Morley's spreadsheet should be in a subclade parallel to Z2103/Z2105.

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    Of course for me (and my theory) that CTS7822 were a subclade of Z2103/Z2105 would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    Unfortunately these people haven't sent their data to Itai Perez and I am not able to enter Genographic database not having had Geno 2.0, but even though it doesn't test Z2103 and Z2105 it tests the equivalent CTS1083 and it is very unlikely that all these people have had a no call, then I think that the tree is this.
    CTS1083 is not equivalent to Z2103 or Z2105 and it is found in haplogroup C. Are you sure you typed it correctly?
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post

    What kit #s are CTS7822 found in?
    This is what I have for CTS7822/Z2110, a total of seven kits.

    257843 Shomo Shomo Jewish DNA Project ungrouped Unknown R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 12 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29
    247019 Ware Peter Ware, b. abt. 1821 (N. Carolina) and d. 1891 Ware Surname Project North Carolina R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 12 13 13 29
    N29277 Varipapa Andolino Casimiro Varipapa, b.~1883, Casimiro, IT 39.29, 16.97 Italy DNA Project Italy R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 13 13 13 29
    N115176/N98739 Drakopoulos Constantinos Drakopoulos, 1825-1900 see #N98739 Greek Project Greek DNA Project Greece R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0, L150+, L23+, L584-
    11 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 12 29
    N115142 Solt Hanse Casper Soltz, b. 1657 German DNA Project Germany? R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N114393 White? White Surname Project Unknown R1b1a2a2 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N112689 Ilinov No STRs Russia DNA Project R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    Kotsop confirmed that N115176 and N98739 are the same kit and has tested L150+, L23+, L51-, L584-, M269+, P312-, U106-
    Last edited by Joe B; 07-29-2013 at 09:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    CTS1083 is not equivalent to Z2103 or Z2105 and it is found in haplogroup C. Are you sure you typed it correctly?
    I wrote Alice at ISOGG a few weeks back and she kindly removed CTS1083 from the tree. Many are still using CTS1083 on their phylogenetic trees because of that old ISOGG error.
    Looking forward to the new snp primers you are working on.
    Last edited by Joe B; 07-29-2013 at 09:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe B View Post
    This is what I have for CTS7822/Z2110, a total of seven kits.

    257843 Shomo Shomo Jewish DNA Project ungrouped Unknown R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 12 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29
    247019 Ware Peter Ware, b. abt. 1821 (N. Carolina) and d. 1891 Ware Surname Project North Carolina R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 12 13 13 29
    N29277 Varipapa Andolino Casimiro Varipapa, b.~1883, Casimiro, IT 39.29, 16.97 Italy DNA Project Italy R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0
    12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 13 13 13 29
    N115176/N98739 Drakopoulos Constantinos Drakopoulos, 1825-1900 see #N98739 Greek Project Greek DNA Project Greece R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0, L150+, L23+, L584-
    11 24 15 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 12 29
    N115142 Solt Hanse Casper Soltz, b. 1657 German DNA Project Germany? R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N114393 White? White Surname Project Unknown R1b1a2a2 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    N112689 Ilinov No STRs Russia DNA Project R1b1a2a1 CTS7822+, Geno2.0 strs?
    Kotsop confirmed that N115176 and N98739 are the same kit and has tested L150+, L23+, L51-, L584-, M269+, P312-, U106-
    Are one of the R1b-ht35new project administrators gathering and comparing the raw results on these people?

    If this is a CTS7822+, it appears quite scattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post

    I see that 257843, 282121, N114224, N92413 are their CTS9219+. Do we know what the result was at CTS7822? Were they no-calls? I assume so if you think CTS9219 is a subclade of CTS7822.

    P.S. I cut-off the final bit of Rathna's quote because that should probably be taken up in the general category thread on "Rathna's assessment on genetic materials".
    Kit N114224 is not CTS7822+ nor is it CTS9219+ (this is one of the M269xL23 kits and I don't see that any of those are CTS7822+ or CTS9219+ ).

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