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    This genetic similarity between the Albanians and the Italians of the North-North is also seen by other computers, I think this similarity depends on ancient DNA, not recently, after all it is about computers that retreat over time until the mesolithic

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 34.66
    2 Neolithic 30.78
    3 Steppe 14.71
    4 NorthEastEuropean 14.14
    5 NearEast 2.82
    6 NorthAfrican 2.71


    Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Italian @ 3.678105
    2 Kosovar @ 4.097620
    3 Greek @ 4.319194
    4 Albanian @ 4.366970
    5 Greek @ 5.255222
    6 Italian @ 6.573229
    7 Greek @ 6.905533
    8 Italian @ 7.179266
    9 Gagauz @ 7.996182
    10 Corsican @ 8.058810
    11 Bulgarian @ 8.507692
    12 Macedonian @ 8.510908
    13 Italian @ 8.858373
    14 Sicilian @ 8.910179
    15 Bulgarian @ 9.263039
    16 Italian @ 9.275011
    17 Romanian @ 9.527539
    18 Italian @ 9.644293
    19 Greek @ 9.724138
    20 Romanian @ 9.948600

    These are my results with MDLP K16 Modern, Kosovo and Italy (Tuscan) and Albania appear close to each other, observing the genetic map it is shown that Albanians, Kosovars and North Greeks interrupt Abruzzo and Tuscany, I assume that the my genetic position in that PCA map of MDLP K16 Modern, can be located there, what do you think?

    MDLP_K16_PCA_Eurasia.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    He has more Italian than any of my four family members. We max at 20 percent but we are north Italians.
    Maybe it is from the old story that etruscan came from or went to Albania at the time of the roman wars against etruscan
    There are also north Italians who score higher Italian component on K36 than 20%. Italian component is not "Italian ancestry" and has nothing to do with the Etruscans, being all the Italians, and many non-Italians including northern Europeans, score that component on K36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larth View Post
    There are also north Italians who score higher Italian component on K36 than 20%. Italian component is not "Italian ancestry" and has nothing to do with the Etruscans, being all the Italians, and many non-Italians including northern Europeans, score that component on K36.
    If you say so, I have not paid attention to others , but I tested this program and have found it very accurate. The program has exceeded my expectations.

    To test the value of my highest number for my 4 family members who all have Italian as the highest % with numbers of between 19.5 to 20.8 , I ran the program without including my highest ( Italian ) number.
    and still found that for 3 of us ( my father, son and myself ) to have the box , NE-Italy as the still main box.

    my wife though went from NE-Italy to central France box ( just to let you know , her paternal surname appears only in NE-Italy and France , that is interesting )

    Clearly the program takes in many other parameters

    I suggest everyone should at least see what their results would be by not including their main indicated populace.
    They might even discover something else


    My Path = ( K-M9+, LT-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavio View Post
    This genetic similarity between the Albanians and the Italians of the North-North is also seen by other computers, I think this similarity depends on ancient DNA, not recently, after all it is about computers that retreat over time until the mesolithic

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 34.66
    2 Neolithic 30.78
    3 Steppe 14.71
    4 NorthEastEuropean 14.14
    5 NearEast 2.82
    6 NorthAfrican 2.71


    Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Italian @ 3.678105
    2 Kosovar @ 4.097620
    3 Greek @ 4.319194
    4 Albanian @ 4.366970
    5 Greek @ 5.255222
    6 Italian @ 6.573229
    7 Greek @ 6.905533
    8 Italian @ 7.179266
    9 Gagauz @ 7.996182
    10 Corsican @ 8.058810
    11 Bulgarian @ 8.507692
    12 Macedonian @ 8.510908
    13 Italian @ 8.858373
    14 Sicilian @ 8.910179
    15 Bulgarian @ 9.263039
    16 Italian @ 9.275011
    17 Romanian @ 9.527539
    18 Italian @ 9.644293
    19 Greek @ 9.724138
    20 Romanian @ 9.948600

    These are my results with MDLP K16 Modern, Kosovo and Italy (Tuscan) and Albania appear close to each other, observing the genetic map it is shown that Albanians, Kosovars and North Greeks interrupt Abruzzo and Tuscany, I assume that the my genetic position in that PCA map of MDLP K16 Modern, can be located there, what do you think?

    MDLP_K16_PCA_Eurasia.jpg
    I observed that, too, all the time. Greeks, Albanians and Italians seem to have something very much in common when it comes to dna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatzianastasoglou View Post
    I observed that, too, all the time. Greeks, Albanians and Italians seem to have something very much in common when it comes to dna.
    Yes, me too. It's not calculator effect of one or two oracles. But south Greeks have more common with South Italians.
    Albanians with Central Italians rather (Tuscany many times) but sometimes it's North Italy. I'm not sure about continental Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    If you say so, I have not paid attention to others , but I tested this program and have found it very accurate. The program has exceeded my expectations.
    I've not said it's not accurate, I've said something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larth View Post
    I've not said it's not accurate, I've said something different.
    The Italian component is from a Neolithic farmer right? Where is that component derived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatzianastasoglou View Post
    I observed that, too, all the time. Greeks, Albanians and Italians seem to have something very much in common when it comes to dna.

    Perhaps during the close of the Roman Empire and the duration of the Byzantine empire these peoples(Albanians, Greeks, Italians) all formed close genetic ties due to a single identity as Romoi

    Maybe the Middle Ages bridged the divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    The Italian component is from a Neolithic farmer right? Where is that component derived?
    Most likely a Neolithic-Chalcolithic component.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Perhaps during the close of the Roman Empire and the duration of the Byzantine empire these peoples(Albanians, Greeks, Italians) all formed close genetic ties due to a single identity as Romoi

    Maybe the Middle Ages bridged the divide.
    They have something in common and just similar amount of ancestral components, but at the same time many Italians, especially northern and central Italians, have also many different Y-DNA HGs from Greeks and Albanians.

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    The genetic division of Europe based on my own results:

    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm



    Compare with the map of European languages in 1100 AD:

    Grover S. Krantz (Professor of Anthropology), "Geographical Development Of European Languages", American University Studies, Series XI, Anthropology and Sociology, Vol. 26:

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...gesCh6-8En.htm



    And the maximum extent of Slavic expansion (800s AD):

    Last edited by Tomenable; 06-28-2017 at 04:35 PM.

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