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Thread: GED Match and DNA land: Uttar Pradesh,Bihari and Bengali DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Most of our relatives (pre-conversion) who converted go by the moniker Pathan.

    In Yang's book that you had quoted from - a Fateh Sahi is mentioned. His family had a branch in Saran (Brahmans of Hathwa, Kuari, Huseypur) and another in modern UP. The UP side of the family has at least three branches - one Brahman (Tamkuhi), one Rajput (Majhauli) and one Pathan (Salimpur).

    The British found it difficult to capture Fateh Sahi mainly because of his relations on the UP side where they could not pursue him as it was in Awadh (The British United Provinces of Agra and Oudh had not then been formed).

    "Fateh Bahadur Sahi was an independent ruler of this region whose territory spread across the Bihar-UP border. He belonged to the erstwhile Huseypur estate of the old Saran district of Bihar, from which descended the later-day Tamkuhi Raj of the Kushinagar district of Uttar Pradesh and the Hathwa Raj of Gapalganj district in Bihar. Of his forefathers, Mayyur Bhat is believed to have come from western India to study Sanskrit and astrology at Varanasi, well before the Christian era. Impressed by his talent, the king of Srawasty married his daughter to him. Initially, Mayyur settled in Azamgargh before moving to Gorakhpur from where he established himself in Saran in Bihar."
    http://www.thehindu.com/features/mag...cle2037700.ece
    Interesting that you mention Majhauli as another branch of my family are associated with it, here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awayan

    I wonder if there is any connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Interesting that you mention Majhauli as another branch of my family are associated with it, here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awayan

    I wonder if there is any connection?
    There may be some truth to the account as the mal suffix is seen - "Raja Bhimal of Majhauli estate (District Deoria UP)"

    See also:
    GN Dutt - "The patronymic of the earlier Rajas was " Sen," which in the 16th descent was changed to " Simha" and in the 83rd to "Mall," and in the 87th to " Sahi."
    https://archive.org/stream/historyof...0dutt_djvu.txt

    "Jay Mal" - Tarikh-i-Subah Bihar
    "Kalyan Mal" - Abul Fazl
    http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bi...hapter%201.pdf
    http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bi...hapter%209.pdf

    Some think that the mal suffix dates to the Malloi of the Greek period or Mall Khatiyas of the Buddhist period.

    It is also possible it came in with the Karnat invasion of the area under the Chalukyas (see eg. Tribhuvanamalla, Rajamalla, Jagadhekamalla, etc.).
    The Saran area, Bengal, and Nepal were under the Karnatas.
    One their main citadels was at Simraongarh. http://himalaya.socanth.cam.ac.uk/co...S_13_03_03.pdf
    http://nepalitimes.com/article/natio...-bhaktapur,597

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    There may be some truth to the account as the mal suffix is seen - "Raja Bhimal of Majhauli estate (District Deoria UP)"

    See also:
    GN Dutt - "The patronymic of the earlier Rajas was " Sen," which in the 16th descent was changed to " Simha" and in the 83rd to "Mall," and in the 87th to " Sahi."
    https://archive.org/stream/historyof...0dutt_djvu.txt

    "Jay Mal" - Tarikh-i-Subah Bihar
    "Kalyan Mal" - Abul Fazl
    http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bi...hapter%201.pdf
    http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bi...hapter%209.pdf

    Some think that the mal suffix dates to the Malloi of the Greek period or Mall Khatiyas of the Buddhist period.

    It is also possible it came in with the Karnat invasion of the area under the Chalukyas (see eg. Tribhuvanamalla, Rajamalla, Jagadhekamalla, etc.).
    The Saran area, Bengal, and Nepal were under the Karnatas.
    One their main citadels was at Simraongarh. http://himalaya.socanth.cam.ac.uk/co...S_13_03_03.pdf
    http://nepalitimes.com/article/natio...-bhaktapur,597
    The Rajas of Majhaulis appear to have started out serving the Shunga dynasty?, I own a coin which was minted under Pushyamitra.

    This branch of my family is my great great grandfather on my mum's side, I find it difficult to believe that they were really descended from Ayub Ansari.I wonder how they converted as they were from UP rather than Bihar.

    My direct maternal ancestor was a Syeda and supposedly the daughter of a Syed, unfortunately her only male sibling had one son and two daughters so any chance of testing for Y Chromosome DNA was lost in 1990 when his son passed away without any issue.

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