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    Quote Originally Posted by Real_Amharas View Post
    E1b1b and T and A it's common in Tigrinyas (Agaw bilen/Raya-Oromos)
    What's the percentage of j1 in amharas and Tigray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    What's the percentage of j1 in amharas and Tigray?
    25-35%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real_Amharas View Post
    25-35%
    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisdandy View Post
    What's the percentage of j1 in amharas and Tigray?
    Here you go:

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    Pretty good sample size all around of both Erythraeic and Ethio-Judaeo-Sinaitic speakers and the pattern generally holds that Y-DNA J has a 20-25% frequency in the region once you discount pseudo outliers like Somalis, Sidamas, Gedeos, Gawadas and Hadiyas. And if you're wondering about "Erythraeic" and "Judaeo-Sinaitic":

     
    They're my currently preferred alternatives to "Cushitic" and "Semitic" which I dislike for their goofy biblical connections when the other Afro-Asiatic branches tend to have more sensible names connected to geography or meta-ethnicity ("Omotic" for the Omo-river and "Berber" for the Imazighen folk who are also called Berbers etc.). Both names come, to some extent, from the likely rough spread of the Urheimats for the two respective branches; though I'll admit that "Judaeo-Sinaitic" might not be one I'll utilize for long.


    Anyway, I guess if I had to narrow down a few very Erythraeic speaker tied Y-DNA lineages I'd go for:

    • E-V32
    • E-V22
    • E-V6
    • E-M293
    • A-M13
    • T-M70


    I'll try and get into each lineage's spread and known history among Erythraeic speakers at a later date but, to be honest, we'll also need more serious and deep testing to go further than mere frequencies (+ broad historical statements) among the populations of the Horn and Sudan for some of these Y-DNA lineages. And, as an Erythraeic speaking group that seems to have enjoyed some level of "genomic isolation" thanks to their historical habitation of "Greater-Somalia", I'd guess Somalis' mtDNA lineages are something good to go on. Although, I do think we may have lost certain lineages here and there in terms of mtDNA. For example, I've always thought early Erythraeic speakers might have had some mtDNA I which is found in South as well East Erythraeic speaker admixed groups like some Southeast African ethnic groups (i.e. Turkanas, see here), or even in an outright Lowland East Erythraeic speaking group like Rendilles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    Here you go:

    Link

    Pretty good sample size all around of both Erythraeic and Ethio-Judaeo-Sinaitic speakers and the pattern generally holds that Y-DNA J has a 20-25% frequency in the region once you discount pseudo outliers like Somalis, Sidamas, Gedeos, Gawadas and Hadiyas. And if you're wondering about "Erythraeic" and "Judaeo-Sinaitic":

     
    They're my currently preferred alternatives to "Cushitic" and "Semitic" which I dislike for their goofy biblical connections when the other Afro-Asiatic branches tend to have more sensible names connected to geography or meta-ethnicity ("Omotic" for the Omo-river and "Berber" for the Imazighen folk who are also called Berbers etc.). Both names come, to some extent, from the likely rough spread of the Urheimats for the two respective branches; though I'll admit that "Judaeo-Sinaitic" might not be one I'll utilize for long.


    Anyway, I guess if I had to narrow down a few very Erythraeic speaker tied Y-DNA lineages I'd go for:

    • E-V32
    • E-V22
    • E-V6
    • E-M293
    • A-M13
    • T-M70


    I'll try and get into each lineage's spread and known history among Erythraeic speakers at a later date but, to be honest, we'll also need more serious and deep testing to go further than mere frequencies (+ broad historical statements) among the populations of the Horn and Sudan for some of these Y-DNA lineages. And, as an Erythraeic speaking group that seems to have enjoyed some level of "genomic isolation" thanks to their historical habitation of "Greater-Somalia", I'd guess Somalis' mtDNA lineages are something good to go on. Although, I do think we may have lost certain lineages here and there in terms of mtDNA. For example, I've always thought early Erythraeic speakers might have had some mtDNA I which is found in South as well East Erythraeic speaker admixed groups like some Southeast African ethnic groups (i.e. Turkanas, see here), or even in an outright Lowland East Erythraeic speaking group like Rendilles.
    From the link you posted i seen that somalis specifically have the "T" haplogroup ranged at 30%; is the T haplogroup in somalis local or was it brought from outside the horn because from the results it seems other horners tend to have it at very low percentages.

    Great information you provided
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman92 View Post
    From the link you posted i seen that somalis specifically have the "T" haplogroup ranged at 30%; is the T haplogroup in somalis local or was it brought from outside the horn because from the results it seems other horners tend to have it at very low percentages.
    Somalis have it at a higher percentage than those other Horn-Africans due to what look like some founder-effects (or one founder-effect) in parts of the northwest of Greater-Somalia (Djibouti, Awdal, Waqooyi Galbeed etc.) as well as somewhat higher percentages even outside that area of Somali habitation (10-20% or so depending on the data-set). No idea how and when this came to be among us in particular; would need aDNA for that. However, despite the marker's markedly lower presence among our close relatives in the region; it's seemingly a pretty old marker among Erythraeic speakers and was clearly even present among South-Erythraeic speakers when they made their way south into Southeast and Southern Africa:

    http://ethiohelix.blogspot.ae/2013/0...s-on-east.html

    Iraqws = modern South-Erythraeic speakers and they're at about 12.77% T-M70 in that data-set and this isn't the only study where they've shown similar percentages for T-M70, from what I recall. You can also see how various SE African populations with Erythraeic speaker admixture clearly show some T-M70. This and it's presence all over the Horn among both Erythraeic and former Erythraeic speaking people like Habeshas as well as its very low presence in Sudan pretty much points to how it arrived in the region with the early Erythraeic speaking pastoralists when they moved into the Horn from what is now Sudan, to be honest. Before Sudan experienced later Haplogroup changes.

    On another note, it's pretty interesting that Y-DNA T also showed up among Neolithic Levantines... In the case of South-Erythraeic speakers, it's also funny that those recent Natufian samples turned out to be mostly E-Z830 as the dominant South-Erythraeic speaker marker seems to be E-M293, a subclade of E-Z830. It seems we clearly have some paternal ties to Neolithic and Epipaleolithic Levantines.

    Quote Originally Posted by hman92
    Great information you provided
    Thanks, glad I could help.
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