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    Big Y for R1a-M458* from Urals

    Summary: The kit custodian and I, together, can only contribute $250 toward the $425 necessary for the Big Y test in this case important to understanding R1a-M458. We need another $175.

    Explanation:
    Kit 205198 is from the Ural region of the Russian Federation. He has tested
    M458+, CTS11962-, L260-

    The R1a Project classifies him as
    4. ..>Z282>PF6155>M458>PF7521*-A (Big Y needed)

    based on haplotype similarity to kit 306772 of Poland, whose R1a-Backbone SNP Pack yielded a result of:
    M458+, PF7521+, CTS11962-, L260-

    Since #306772 was not tested for PF6188, it is possible that he, and then perhaps also #205198, belong to the elusive R1a-PF6188 clade found in Sardinia.

    We would very much like to use this case to help us understand the genesis and early survival/growth of R1a-M458. Together, the kit custodian and I can muster $250 towards the Big Y for #205198, so we need another $175. We would very much appreciate any financial help others could give--hopefully by the end of the month, since FTDNA does not guarantee discount/coupon pricing beyond that date. Contributions can be made through the R1a Project donation page. Be sure to mention the purpose of the contribution in the Note box.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 12-18-2016 at 08:37 PM.

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    By the way, FTDNA and YFull disagree on the placement of Y2604 in the R1a-M458 haplotree. The Big Y for #205198 might resolve this. But YFull gives that SNP only 1 star anyway.

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    The Big Y for #205198 was batched and sent to the lab on December 28. Thanks to all who contributed! Now we await the results.

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    I am anxious for the results. I hope it contributes to the origin and migration of of M458.

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    And what the resutls are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    And what the resutls are?
    He is R-Y2604* (YF08907) on YFull's haplotree. Of course, we need one more example from his cluster to define the clade properly. His cluster seems to include both Polish and Russian patrilineages.

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    So not mine

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