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    Lightbulb QpAdm W Asian Pashtun Proxies

    In this thread using formal methods (qpAdm), I explore various W Asian proxies for Pashtun ancestry to see what type of fits they produce. Various W Asian proxies are used, including Arabs and Jews (due to a few crazy rumors that I have heard that Arabs or Druze are Pashtun ancestors), in spite of Arabic or Druze language not having much in common with Pashto, as Farsi, Kurdish, etc.

    The following rt pops have been used:

    Ust_Ishim
    Kostenki14
    EHG
    Papuan
    Chukchi
    Karitiana
    Mbuti.DG
    Natufian
    Iran_N_WC1
    Switzerland_HG

    Here are a few observations:

    1- The best fit (highest probability) was produced using Iraqi Kurd C3 as the W Asian proxy, followed by Azeri. The best fit for Pashtun was:

    87.9 % Kurd C3 + 12.1 % Onge (ASI) for a tail probability of 64.1 %. Any tail probabilities below 22% (Azeri) indicate that the model is not realistic.


    2- Usurprisingly, Arabs and Druze, produced the worse fits, with tail probabilities under 0.4 %, thus indicating that those rumors are nothing but rumors, and are unsupported by genetics.

    3- Fits indicate that ASI makes up a minor portion of Pashtun ancestry, with W Asian making up the majority


    The table is sorted with the highest probability fit on top, and lowest on the bottom.


    Sample Kurd C3 Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 87.90% 0.00% 12.10% 0.00% 64.10% 6
    Sample Azeri Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 76.40% 16.60% 7.00% 0.00% 22.10% 9.5
    Sample Chechen Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 89.10% 0.00% 10.90% 0.00% 9.50% 13.5
    Sample Iranian Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 67.10% 23.90% 9.00% 0.00% 9.00% 12.3
    Sample Zoroastrian Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 68.50% 20.50% 11.00% 0.00% 8.60% 12.5
    Sample Iranian Bandari Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 54.90% 37.90% 7.20% 0.00% 6.20% 13.5
    Sample Georgian Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 61.10% 24.70% 14.20% 0.00% 5.00% 14.1
    Sample Turkish Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 65.20% 25.80% 9.00% 0.00% 0.50% 20.2
    Sample Druze Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 35.10% 49.60% 15.30% 0.00% 0.40% 20.9
    Sample Syrian Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 30.20% 54.80% 15.00% 0.00% 0.30% 21.4
    Sample Saudi Andronovo Onge Han Tail Probability Chisq
    Pashtun 33.10% 54.50% 1.10% 11.30% 0.04% 24.4


    Edit: The models are not intended to necessarily show actual admixture events resulting in modern Pashtun, because W Asian input into Pashtuns is as much as a few thousand years old. The models merely show which W Asian pop genetically best represents the majority of Pashtun admixture.
    Last edited by Kurd; 09-04-2016 at 03:36 PM. Reason: format

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    Interesting finding. Wondering how much genetic proximity exists between balochs and kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jatt2016 View Post
    Interesting finding. Wondering how much genetic proximity exists between balochs and kurds.
    I have posted results for those at http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ormal-Analysis

    Those show that some Baloch can be modeled as about 100% Iraqi Kurd with almost a 100% tail probability. Not too surprising considering Balochi is considered to have the most overlap with Kurdi by some linguists, and considering historical accounts of Baloch migrations to their present locations from around NW Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I have posted results for those at http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ormal-Analysis

    Those show that some Baloch can be modeled as about 100% Iraqi Kurd with almost a 100% tail probability. Not too surprising considering Balochi is considered to have the most overlap with Kurdi by some linguists, and considering historical accounts of Baloch migrations to their present locations from around NW Iran.
    True. I met a Iraqi kurd once , had a brief chit chat with him and he told me that Pakistani balochs and kurds have lots of linguistic similarities and then as proof mentioned 1-10 counting in Kurdish and Balochi.
    Famous Advocate Ali Ahmed Kurd from Pakistan ( pic pasted below )- is a Pakistani lawyer who has served as President of the Supreme Court Bar Association of Pakistan and is prominent in the Lawyers' Movement in that country.


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