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    Thank you Andrew. The Clan Gregor project has perhaps not got around to putting up the result for Kit#2124 on the SNP page, but I was assuming that it would be L1065+.
    Just to clarify, I am not aware of the exact details on the Clan's SNP testing but I was thinking of the fact that the connection between L1065 and the Scots clade is now more or less confirmed and can be at least referred to as the apparent truth, so to speak. The Scots clade itself was I think never a controversially defined clade: even if there might be grey areas, there is certainly a core group which is quite homogeneous, and certainly includes the relevant MacGregor, Campbell, Buchanan, etc etc lineages.

    One I know first hand: the chiefly line of the Clan Livingstone (which is actually an Argyll clan, known in Gaelic as MacLea, or MacOnLea, or even Mac Donnsleibhe, with nothing to do with the place in Lothian) has been checked by testing some of the kits closest to the chief and his late father. Results were positive. The Clan has a reputation as one of the oldest in Argyll.

    (Of course as with any such SNP/STR correspondence there can be a result out of the blue which shows a slight difference in the definition of the two sets on a twig somewhere. Being certain is always relative.)

    Andrew

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    I thought I would post several links associated with Scotland Historical aspects.

    The Society of Antiquaries of Scotland.

    This Society pursues the study of the antiquities and history of Scotland through various means.

    www.socantscot.org

    The Scottish Archaeological Research Framework (ScARF) reflects the current state of knowledge regarding Scotland’s past through the study of the antiquities and history of Scotland, more especially by means of archaeological research.

    http://www.scottishheritagehub.com/s...%20updated.pdf

    http://www.socantscot.org/content.asp?Page=333&Menu=239

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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, a 2nd born Isle of Man with a GD6/67 & GD8/111. GD1’s father’s sister- 23andme predicted 3rd Cousin with a 0.91% DNA shared -3 segments. The largest on Chr1 has non-Euro admix affirming my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A second predicted 4th cousin has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. A 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF appears to be from the same Watterson line via Ala. FGC5539+ Scot-Ross GD13/111

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    Pictish burials found at ‘Royal Rhynie’ site

    http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index....al-rhynie-site

    The grave of what could be a member of early Pictish royalty has been discovered as part of an archaeological dig in northeast Scotland. The discovery is one of the few made in this area and was found in a carefully made grave lined with sandstone slabs, suggestive of a high status burial... Rhynie in Aberdeenshire, has long been known for its eight carved standing stones including the renowned ‘Craw Stane’. Previous digs have uncovered rare examples of Mediterranean imports and intricate metalwork which add to the theory that the area was a former Pictish centre of power.

    The latest discovery, made during the Rhynie Environs Archaeological Project (REAP), is the first time remains of a body have been uncovered at the site....The remains will now be studied using a raft of scientific techniques including radiocarbon and stable isotope analysis, if the level of bone preservation is sufficient.

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    The Northern Picts Project: the Rise and Fall of a ‘Lost’ People of Early Medieval Northern Europe

    http://www.abdn.ac.uk/archaeology/re...orthern-picts/

    The first millennium AD in northern Europe witnessed the transformation of small-scale tribal societies into medieval kingdoms, changes that laid the foundations for the modern nation states of Europe. In northern Britain, the Pictish Kingdoms that emerged in northern Scotland in the post-Roman period (c.AD 400-900) were important political players both regionally and on a European scale. Indeed, the major legacies of the Picts include some of the most spectacular archaeological sites and artistic achievements of Early Medieval European society. In northern Scotland the Kingdoms of the Northern Picts spanned an area from the Northeast of Scotland mainland to the northern Isles of Shetland and Orkney until the late 9th and 10th centuries when pressure from Viking incursions and political ascendency of gaelic kingship and identity led to the absorption of the Picts into the political entity known as Alba. This project aims to track the rise and fall of the Northern Pictish Kingdoms through a sustained programme of archaeological and historical research.

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    Searching for Scandinavians in pre-Viking Scotland: molecular fingerprinting of Early Medieval combs, Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 41, January 2014, Pages 1–6

    The character and chronology of Norse colonisation in Early Medieval northern Scotland (8th–10th centuries AD) is hotly debated. The presence of reindeer antler raw material in ‘native’ or ‘Pictish’ type combs from the Orkney Isles, northern Scotland has been put forward as evidence for a long and largely peaceful initial period of cultural contact, as opposed to a shorter, more polarised period probably in the late ninth century. Here this hypothesis is tested using a minimally-destructive collagen peptide mass fingerprinting method (ZooMS) to speciate the raw material of 20 combs. Eleven were identified as red deer, four as reindeer and one as whale. The accuracy and gentleness of this method was tested by the subsequent application of ancient DNA (aDNA) methods to fourteen of the same samples: in ten, amplification was successful and all supported the preliminary ZooMS identification. All ‘native’-type combs in the sample are identified as red deer, and all Norse types as reindeer. These results challenge previous species identifications for these combs' raw materials. The balance of evidence no longer supports the existence of a long period of cultural contact between Atlantic Scotland and Scandinavian settlers before the late 9th century. ZooMS is shown to have considerable potential for identification of worked bone and antler artefacts, with applications in archaeology and wildlife/art-history forensics.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05440313002781

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    Gordon Noble, Meggen Gondek, Ewan Campbell and Murray Cook, Between prehistory and history: the archaeological detection of social change among the Picts, Antiquity, Volume: 87 Number: 338 Page: 1136–1150 http://antiquity.ac.uk/ant/087/ant0871136.htm

    The development of small-scale kingdoms in the post-Roman world of north-western Europe is a key stage in the subsequent emergence of medieval states. Recent excavations at Rhynie in north-eastern Scotland have thrown important light on the emergence of one such kingdom, that of the Picts. Enclosures, sculptured ‘symbol stones’ and long-distance luxury imports identify Rhynie as a place of growing importance during the fifth to sixth centuries AD. Parallels can be drawn with similar processes in southern Scandinavia, where leadership combined roles of ritual and political authority. The excavations at Rhynie and the synthesis of dated Pictish enclosures illustrate the contribution that archaeology can make to the understanding of state formation processes in early medieval Europe.
    Supplementary material on open access.

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    Manning the ramparts: a hillfort on the edge of Empire

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    In 2012, a team from Rampart Scotland carried out an archaeological investigation at Sheriffside, a large crop mark site some 20 miles to the east of Edinburgh. Unexpectedly, a ditch measuring over 8m across and up to 2.80m deep was uncovered, which appears to represent the final phase of enclosure of the hillfort. Currently, this is the largest ditch discovered in the region and has produced a C14 date range of AD 211-384.

    Archaeologically, this date range and re-cutting of the ditch is extremely interesting, as it falls into a turbulent era in the history of Southern Scotland. After the Romans withdrew behind Hadrian’s Wall in the early 3rd century AD, the Picts carried out frequent raids and may have forced the local tribes such as the Votadini into taking defensive action to protect themselves and their livestock.....
    One of the illustrations is amazing - a Roman dice tower in the Rheinisches Landesmuseum Bonn, with lettering reading
    Pictos Victos – Hostis Deleta – Lvdite Secvri”, translated to mean “The Picts defeated – the enemy wiped out – play without fear”.

    Vettweiss-Froitzheim_Dice_Tower.jpg

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