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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I noticed a Mesolithic U5a2c3* from the Blätterhöhle Cave in Germany (Bollongino 2013) at Jean M's Ancient Eurasian DNA site, so I decided to compare its results to mine. There are some differences, but we're not too far off, considering the time span involved (Blätterhöhle dates to 8652 ± 58 BC). I made a little table of the comparison, for what it's worth. This is based on my Chromo2 mtDNA results. Sorry to be ignorant, but is it as complete as FTDNA's FGS test?
    The Chromo2 mtDNA results are not as complete (results are not reported for several markers in your table), but effectively your Chromo2 results are just as useful as the FTDNA full sequence because Chromo2 identified 2 extra mutations that are shared with several people who did test the full sequence, and this places you in a proposed new sublclade of U5a2c3a. So in your case I would not recommend testing the full sequence - it is unlikely to provide any more specific results (it would only confirm the status of the SNPs that were not reported by Chromo2.).

    The problem with National Geographic Geno 2.0 is that FTDNA does not report the list of mtDNA SNPs, they only report a subclade name, so it is not possible to do the more detailed analysis with Geno 2.0. Another option to get the full mtDNA sequence (without testing at FTDNA) is to test the FullY with FGC. They also provide mtDNA results that are close to 99% complete in the samples I've seen.

    Edit: I sent you an update to my 2013 email and added the Blätterhöhle U5a2c3 sample. You have 5 additional mutations, which is about what one would expect given the age of the Blätterhöhle sample. I really don't see any value in testing the full sequence unless you want to see the FTDNA FMS matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    The Chromo2 mtDNA results are not as complete (results are not reported for several markers in your table), but effectively your Chromo2 results are just as useful as the FTDNA full sequence because Chromo2 identified 2 extra mutations that are shared with several people who did test the full sequence, and this places you in a proposed new sublclade of U5a2c3a. So in your case I would not recommend testing the full sequence - it is unlikely to provide any more specific results (it would only confirm the status of the SNPs that were not reported by Chromo2.).

    The problem with National Geographic Geno 2.0 is that FTDNA does not report the list of mtDNA SNPs, they only report a subclade name, so it is not possible to do the more detailed analysis with Geno 2.0. Another option to get the full mtDNA sequence (without testing at FTDNA) is to test the FullY with FGC. They also provide mtDNA results that are close to 99% complete in the samples I've seen.
    I got my hg via FGC - don't forget Thomas Krahn is also offering WGS inc mtDNA now.
    WGS (Full Genomes Nov 2015)
    YFull: YF01405 (Y Elite sequencing by Full Genomes Inc. 2013, inc. 435 'reliable' class STRs)
    GEDMatch: A828783 (autosomal DNA), 9427684 (GEDCOM) for segment matching DO NOT POST ADMIXTURE REPORTS USING MY KIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    The Chromo2 mtDNA results are not as complete (results are not reported for several markers in your table), but effectively your Chromo2 results are just as useful as the FTDNA full sequence because Chromo2 identified 2 extra mutations that are shared with several people who did test the full sequence, and this places you in a proposed new sublclade of U5a2c3a. So in your case I would not recommend testing the full sequence - it is unlikely to provide any more specific results (it would only confirm the status of the SNPs that were not reported by Chromo2.).

    The problem with National Geographic Geno 2.0 is that FTDNA does not report the list of mtDNA SNPs, they only report a subclade name, so it is not possible to do the more detailed analysis with Geno 2.0. Another option to get the full mtDNA sequence (without testing at FTDNA) is to test the FullY with FGC. They also provide mtDNA results that are close to 99% complete in the samples I've seen.

    Edit: I sent you an update to my 2013 email and added the Blätterhöhle U5a2c3 sample. You have 5 additional mutations, which is about what one would expect given the age of the Blätterhöhle sample. I really don't see any value in testing the full sequence unless you want to see the FTDNA FMS matches.
    Thanks! I may do the FGS anyway . . . eventually. The price has come down quite a bit from the old days. I still have a few family members to do Family Finder or Ancestry DNA on, so the FGS is on the back burner (as it has been for years).

    I would like to see my FTDNA mtDNA matches though.
     


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    Hey! I just got my second match on HVR1 at FTDNA, another U5a2c3a with FGS results. As I have mentioned before, I only have HVR1 with FTDNA, but I have more extensive results from BritainsDNA's Chromo 2. I emailed my new match and sent her my BDNA results. I hope she answers my email.

    Mdka is Mary James, b. 1836, but the place of birth is not listed.
    Last edited by rms2; 03-05-2017 at 01:23 AM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

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    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Hey! I just got my second match on HVR1 at FTDNA, another U5a2c3a with FGS results. As I have mentioned before, I only have HVR1 with FTDNA, but I have more extensive results from BritainsDNA's Chromo 2. I emailed my new match and sent her my BDNA results. I hope she answers my email.

    Mdka is Mary James, b. 1836, but the place of birth is not listed.
    It turns out this new match is the sister of the first match I started this thread about. Their mdka shows up in the 1860 census in Lauderdale County, Alabama, which is where my mtDNA mdka was from. Hmmm . . .
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    I feel myself starting to go into withdrawal because I have not ordered a dna test for myself in awhile. I may have to use my Father's Day status to get the mtDNA FGS from Family Tree DNA. We'll see. I can't go cold turkey though.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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