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    I think it is important the discover of that G2b... Isn't it the first G2b found in ancient samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    I think it is important the discover of that G2b... Isn't it the first G2b found in ancient samples?
    Yes I think so. I cannot find any other.
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    This R1b-Z2103 sample is Mannean - do we have his autosomal DNA to see if the guy was Steppe-admixed ???

    Manneans were Non-IE speakers (as were the Kura-Araxes people, among whom another R1b sample was found). If they were subjected to an ever increasing Iranian influence, then we would expect to find the Indo-Iraian marker - R1a-Z93 - as a sign of that influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannaeans#Ethnicity

    Kura-Araxes were Hurro-Urartian speakers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura–A...guistic_makeup

    Here is my map of Non-IE languages of the Middle East, with Manneans shown in North-West Iran:

    https://s30.postimg.org/pmjclmks1/Languages+of+ME.png


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    Linguists suggest that Hurrian, Urartian and Mannean languages were related (parts of the same family). This is why map shows all of those painted with the same colour. Kassite-speakers were likely also related:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurro-..._languages#Use

    We have R1b from Hurro-Urartian speaking Kura-Araxes, and another R1b from Mannean-speakers.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...rly-metallurgy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian
    One thing that strikes me is that the Iron Age Iranian sample, despite its northern connections (ie being Z2103), is not very steppe shifted, but lies on a Anatolian- Iran Chalcolithic continuum.
    That's because the guy was ethnically Hurro-Urarto-Mannean, not IE. His R1b was not from the Steppe. IMHO, R1b smiths migrated to the Steppe either from the Balkans or from the Middle East:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...rly-metallurgy

    despite its northern connections (ie being Z2103)
    Z2103 was probably a migration from the south (Balkans or the Middle East) to the Steppe.

    This is also explains, why Yamnaya samples with Z2103 were relatively Dark-Pigmented.

    EHG were Lighter-Pigmented than Yamnaya with R1b (of course it is possible that Yamnaya with R1b - i.e. elite smiths buried in elite kurgans - were not representative of the whole Yamnaya population).
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    manneans not hurians .They are IE.Z2103 from stepe

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    1) Z2103 came TO the Steppe (not from the Steppe).

    2) These burials are in Hurro-Urartian-Mannean context.

    This will be eventually proven (my prediction).

    Yamnaya with R1b were smiths, worshipped for their "magical" abilities.

    That's why they were buried under kurgans (unlike most of commoners).

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    Some more points:

    1) Hurro-Urartian etc. are actually attested languages (written texts survived); and they were all Non-IE.

    2) No Steppe admixture = No Indo-Europeans (even if a guy with no Steppe admixture had R1b-Z2103).

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    Fantastika !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!R1b Z2103 Gutian people brought.

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    R1b Z2103 Gutian people brought to Middle East:

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