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    Cool DF41 (L21>DF13>DF41)

    I thought I would come over to Anthrogenica and post some. This is my first post here.

    I am DF41+ and pretty excited about it. Here is a link to the R-DF41 and Subclades Project:

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    I recruited all the guys in my cluster (Mike's 41-1123) who appear in the R-DF41 and Subclades Project and are now tested DF41+. We're the bunch with 390=23 and 385=11-11 who stand out like a sore thumb near the top of the Y-DNA Results page of the project. Of course, there are more of us out there who haven't yet been tested for DF41 and who have never responded to my email pleas, but you can't win 'em all.

    I'll have more to post, but that's it for now.

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    Welcome, rms!

    Good to have you on here! I looked at a map of DF41 results and they appear, so far, to tend to be geographically in the north of Britain and Ireland. Too bad it's not listed on the list of SNPs for Geno 2.0 which David F Reynolds provided: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8yel8ddsq...eno-Y-SNPs.txt
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    Cool DF41 (L21>DF13>DF41)

    I thought I would start a thread here about DF41, a fairly recently discovered SNP downstream of DF13 and L21.

    If you get a DF41+ result, or are positive (derived) for one of DF41's growing list of subclades, please join the R-DF41 and Subclades Project.

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    Thus far, DF41 appears to be most common in the "Celtic Fringe" countries of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. We do have a few positives from western England and one from SE France, as well.

    The royal House of Stewart, family of a number of famous kings and queens of Scotland and England, like King James VI/I of King James Bible fame, is DF41+ on its y-dna line (and positive for the DF41+ SNP L745). Richard Scott, the 10th Duke of Buccleuch, a direct y-dna descendant of King Charles II, recently tested DF41+.

    That doesn't make us all royalty, but it is interesting and kind of fun to know.

    I hope somebody will want to talk about it here.

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    Sorry to get specific here, but if possible, could you look at both of these and let me know if you believe either would be interesting for further SNP testing, please?

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    I apologize again because after a death in the family, I've really just not paid much attention to them.

    Thank you.

    p.s. Please feel free to delete or move this if I've placed it in the improper thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilmari View Post
    rms2,

    Sorry to get specific here, but if possible, could you look at both of these and let me know if you believe either would be interesting for further SNP testing, please?

    130937
    140532

    I apologize again because after a death in the family, I've really just not paid much attention to them.

    Thank you.

    p.s. Please feel free to delete or move this if I've placed it in the improper thread.
    I opened up a thread in the R1b general section for you, although I see these are L21+, although not likely DF41.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...plotype&p=5075

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    You might want to check out this network diagram that Larry Walker posted today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Walker
    I have updated my Clan DF41 Tree at the permalink: http://rangebiome.org/ClanDF41.jpg

    You might want to check the indicated "candidates" for any that we have not yet offered a sponsored DF41 test to, and do a follow-up on any that we have offered but who have not responded? I am particularly interested in those that appear to cluster with McMillan, Ryley, and Hall who are presently orphans without them.

    While I have mentioned this before, the wide distribution of CTS2501 within DF41 appears to indicate that it is probably not a child of DF41, and the lack of any CTS2501+ DF41- (so far) is building a case that it is probably not a parent of DF41. That leaves phylogenetic equivalent as the increasingly likely scenario.

    There are GENO2 tests on order that will sample DF41+ kits in 1426C and 1426C-A for CTS2501, and it has already been confirmed in L745. So, it would be nice if we could get a sample test for CTS2501 in each of the other major DF41 clusters as it is now available from FTDNA as an advanced test.

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    Swanson, kit 99735, and his 60/67 match, Burns, kit 63274, both got DF41+ results this morning. Swanson was CTS2501+ from Geno 2.0, and it's looking like CTS2501 might be the equivalent of DF41. That's a good thing for us DF41ers. It means the Geno 2.0 has some extra value for us when at first we thought it had just passed us by.

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    What do you think of this guy? f62398 Jeremiah (Turner I presume)
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    He looks to me like what I'm calling 41-9911 which would be akin to fB2895 unknown. The GD is not low, but there are several good off-modal matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    What do you think of this guy? f62398 Jeremiah (Turner I presume)
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    He looks to me like what I'm calling 41-9911 which would be akin to fB2895 unknown. The GD is not low, but there are several good off-modal matches.
    Could be. Wish he was in the project so I could have a closer look at his matches. I haven't had the chance to look for him in Ysearch yet.

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    Here are Larry Walker's DF41 trees for 67 and 111 marker haplotypes.

    http://rangebiome.org/ClanDF41.jpg

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