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    Early Medieval aDNA from Poland coming soon

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    966 is a special year in Polish history. The Archaeological Museum in Poznań and the Archaeological Reserve "Genius Loci" will actively participate in commemoration of the 1,050th anniversary of the Baptism of Mieszko I. We are preparing a number of attractions for the inhabitants of Poznań and for guests. (...) These will include: (...) an exposition "The oldest inhabitants of Poznań in the eyes of modern medicine". (...) Thanks to well preserved skeletal remains from the cemetery at Poznań Śródka, as the result of comprehensive research we have obtained a lot of valuable information about people living by the end of the 10th century and in the early 11th century in Poznań. Our research on skeletal remains has been interdisciplinary. We have been carrying out anthropological and identification, odontological, medical-judical, genetic and radiological examinations with use of modern methods of medical imaging (computed tomography), as well as studies in virtual engineering. Modern anthropological methods and professional identification research allows us to reconstruct faces of the past inhabitants of Poznań. In our research on skeletal material specialists from the Medical University and the University of Technology in Poznań participate. (...) Based on research done on skeletal material excavated in Poznań, a professional exposition presenting the results of medical and genetic studies on population inhabiting the Ostrów Tumski of Poznań in the 10th century will be created. This is an amazing opportunity to take a look at people living in a crucial period of Poland's history from the point of view of modern medicine.
    Poznań was among the most important centers of power of Early Poland and its Piast Dynasty:



    About Ostrów Tumski (the oldest district of Poznań):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrów...#Early_history

    The first known fortified settlement (gród) on Ostrów Tumski dates from the 8th or 9th century. In the 10th century the settlement on the island became one of the main political centres of the Piast domains, which in turn formed the hub of the early Polish state. Archaeological work carried out in 1999 revealed that the ducal palace stood on the site now occupied by the Church of the Virgin Mary (west of the cathedral). The palace was joined to a chapel, believed to be the first Christian temple in Poland. It was probably first used by Dobrawa, the wife of Mieszko I, and her Bohemian attendants – Mieszko himself was baptised in 966
    Website of the Archaeological Reserve "Genius Loci":

    http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/en/activ...e-genius-loci/

    Anthropological material and aDNA from 10th century and 11th century Poznań coming soon (Autumn 2016):









    Trepanated skull:



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    Sources:

    http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/rezerwat...chrztu-polski/

    https://www.facebook.com/15838654218...type=3&theater

    http://epoznan.pl/news-news-63054-Z_...ladamy_Ciebie_

    http://chrzest966.pl/najstarsi-miesz...go-w-poznaniu/
    Last edited by Tomenable; 02-24-2016 at 04:03 PM. Reason: one of links fixed

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    ^ Pre-Migration Period DNA will probably follow, because it seems to be part of the same research project as Early Medieval DNA:

    "Dynasty and population of the Piast state in view of integrated historical, anthropological and genomic studies":

    https://www.ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-...cz?language=en

    http://ncn.gov.pl/finansowanie-nauki...cz?language=pl

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    Great news Tomenable. Please keep us updated. That recreated facial image looks like JPII.

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    Roman Era samples look the most promising. Otherwise I don't expect anything shocking. Poles of Medieval times will cluster with the modern ones)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    Roman Era samples look the most promising. Otherwise I don't expect anything shocking. Poles of Medieval times will cluster with the modern ones)
    Yes, the Iron Age samples could be very insightful, although I must say, I am interested in the others to the same degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    That recreated facial image looks like JPII.
    Yes quite similar , except for that very robust jaw - JPII's jaw was more gracile:

    https://wycieczkinakresy.wordpress.c...arola-wojtyly/

    Photo: http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/525...3VA5pUVhLxRvp0

    Photo: http://trzesowka.org/zs_old/e107_ima...om/papiez5.jpg

    In terms of jaw he is more similar to one of JPII's friends, Mieczysław Kotlarczyk:

    https://wycieczkinakresy.wordpress.c...r-rapsodyczny/

    Photo: https://wycieczkinakresy.files.wordp...kotlarczyk.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieczysław_Kotlarczyk

    (...) Mieczysław Kotlarczyk (1908–1978) was a Polish actor, theatre director and literary critic. Kotlarczyk was the theatre mentor of Karol Wojtyła (future Pope John Paul II). He was active in the underground theatre in occupied Poland, and founder of the underground Teatr Rapsodyczny in Kraków. (...)
    I found that photo while googling "young JPII" - someone mistakenly posted Kotlarczyk as JPII.

    The reconstruction indeed looks like overall face from JPII, but jaw from Kotlarczyk.

    Was it intended to look like JPII due to the 1,050th anniversary of Christianity in Poland, hmm?

    Remember that Kennewick Man's reconstruction which looked just like Patrick Stewart?
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    BTW - below is the reconstruction of an Early Bronze Age man from Poland, discussed previously in this thread:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-4-000YBP-Pole


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    Close ups on the Early Medieval guy:




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    It's nice to see a solid timeframe for some Polish aDNA. I just hope the autumn release will include some Iron Age samples as well...

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