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    Central-East Africans - puntDNAL K8 African only Oracle results

    I'd like to share and discuss results from other Africans, more particularly central East-Africans. Feel free to mention any interesting findings you noticed from your results.

    Please also state your ethnicity and nationality along with your results from puntDNAL K8 African only:


    My Parents nationality is Ugandan - Father is a Central-Sudanic speaker, Mother comes from a much smaller Eastern-Sudanic ethnicity rooted in the horn (hence the L3x2b mtDNA). It looks like they've completed assimilated among the Central-Sudanic speakers -- her results are almost identical to my father's -- minus the Western Semitic and S-HG.

    Me:

    puntDNAL K8 African only Oracle results:

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Nilo_Saharan 46.03
    2 W_Benue_Congo 24.3
    3 E_Benue_Congo 13.51
    4 Ubangian_Congo 9.71
    5 Omotic 4.73
    6 Eastern_HG 1.72

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Chad_Bulala 14.09
    2 Alur 16.69
    3 South_Sudanese 25.52
    4 Souh_Sudan_Anuak 25.95
    5 Cameroon_Mada 28.33


    Father's results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Nilo_Saharan 43.5
    2 W_Benue_Congo 24.59
    3 E_Benue_Congo 11.79
    4 Omotic 6.97
    5 Ubangian_Congo 6.84
    6 Western_Semitic 4.52
    7 Eastern_HG 1.79

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Chad_Bulala 11.04
    2 Alur 18.91
    3 South_Sudanese 26.01
    4 Cameroon_Mada 26.49
    5 Souh_Sudan_Anuak 27.43


    Mother:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Nilo_Saharan 46.12
    2 W_Benue_Congo 23.13
    3 E_Benue_Congo 13.73
    4 Ubangian_Congo 10.1
    5 Omotic 5.01
    6 Southern_HG 1.15
    7 Eastern_HG 0.51
    8 Western_Semitic 0.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Chad_Bulala 14.84
    2 Alur 16.43
    3 South_Sudanese 25.55
    4 Souh_Sudan_Anuak 25.79
    5 Cameroon_Mada 29.14

    The Bulala from Chad also happen to be Nilo-Saharan speakers of the same branch; Central-Sudanic. This branch stretches in a belt from Lake Chad to Lake Albert in Uganda, these results imply that our genetic pool has more or less remained intact over the centuries. I'm still not sure on the dating of migration from West to East -- I wonder if it was due to the drying of Lake Chad and the surrounding Sahara.

    I found the Congo clusters, W_Benue\E_Benue\Ubangian, to be very helpful in more specifically pinpointing similarities within the Oracle ethnic groups. Shout-out to the creator of puntDNAL!
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    1 Western_Semitic 42.88
    2 Nilo_Saharan 29.63
    3 Omotic 10.79
    4 E_Benue_Congo 10.77
    5 Ubangian_Congo 2.59
    6 Southern_HG 2.19
    7 Eastern_HG 1.14



    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Somali 6.01
    2 Ethiopian_Oromo 9
    3 Ethiopian_Afar 9.99
    4 Ethiopian_Amhara 12.7
    5 Ethiopian_Tygray 14.69
    6 Ethiopian_Wolayta 25.51
    7 Kenyan_Maasai 26.84

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    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Western_Semitic	54.07
    2	Nilo_Saharan	25.14
    3	Omotic	9.24
    4	E_Benue_Congo	8.85
    5	Eastern_HG	2.7
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Ethiopian_Afar	8.68
    2	Ethiopian_Tygray	9.66
    3	Ethiopian_Amhara	11.61
    4	Somali	14.18
    5	Ethiopian_Oromo	14.87
    6	Algerian	32.62
    7	Ethiopian_Wolayta	34.16
    8	Mozabite	34.63
    9	Libyan	34.94
    10	S_Moroccan	35.06
    11	Tunisian	37.2
    12	N_Moroccan	37.67
    13	Kenyan_Maasai	38.41
    14	Egyptian	41.94
    15	Nigeria_Fulani	46.8
    16	Tanzania_Sandawe	52.25
    17	DRC_Hema	54.11
    18	Chad_Bulala	62.07
    19	Ethiopian_AriCultivator	63.73
    20	Alur	65.66
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	75.6%	Somali	+	24.4%	Egyptian	@	4.4
    2	 	72%	Somali	+	28%	Libyan	@	4.49
    3	 	54.1%	Algerian	+	45.9%	Kenyan_Maasai	@	4.62
    4	 	73.6%	Somali	+	26.4%	N_Moroccan	@	4.66
    5	 	70.7%	Somali	+	29.3%	Algerian	@	4.71
    6	 	50.8%	Tunisian	+	49.2%	Kenyan_Maasai	@	4.73
    7	 	52.4%	Libyan	+	47.6%	Kenyan_Maasai	@	4.95
    8	 	72.1%	Somali	+	27.9%	Mozabite	@	5.01
    9	 	73.5%	Somali	+	26.5%	Tunisian	@	5.02
    10	 	50.5%	N_Moroccan	+	49.5%	Kenyan_Maasai	@	5.24
    11	 	52.2%	Kenyan_Maasai	+	47.8%	Egyptian	@	5.85
    12	 	52.7%	Mozabite	+	47.3%	Kenyan_Maasai	@	5.87
    13	 	87.1%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	12.9%	Egyptian	@	6.12
    14	 	84.9%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	15.1%	Libyan	@	6.17
    15	 	86%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	14%	N_Moroccan	@	6.25
    16	 	84.3%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	15.7%	Algerian	@	6.29
    17	 	85.2%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	14.8%	Mozabite	@	6.35
    18	 	67.6%	Algerian	+	32.4%	Ethiopian_Gumuz	@	6.36
    19	 	86.2%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	13.8%	Tunisian	@	6.42
    20	 	85.8%	Ethiopian_Afar	+	14.2%	S_Moroccan	@	6.56

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    Pardon my ignorance - Could anyone bring me up to speed on where\when horners inherited their Nilo-Saharan ancestry - Lank & drobbah, would you say your amount of Nilo-Saharan ancestry is consistent with other horners?

    Is it generally believed to have been from the inter-mixture of Nilotic and Cushitic peoples in the Nile valley following the dry phase of the Sahara and development of Nile states ? That might explain some notable frequencies of the predominantly Nilotic A paternal haplogroup within the horn:

    Haplogroup A frequencies
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    Ethiopian Jews 41
    Nara (Eritrea) 20 ...*the Nara are Nilo-Saharan speakers, so no surprise here
    Amhara (Ethiopia) ~16
    Oromo (Ethiopia) 10
    South Semitic (Ethiopia) 10

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)

    If these questions have already been discussed at length in another thread, please mention them here
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    I have some none African ancestry in the genealogical time-frame from West&South Asia, so this calculator is not so accurate for me I guess (but still interesting).
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Western_Semitic 52.98
    2 Omotic 12.8
    3 Nilo_Saharan 12.35
    4 E_Benue_Congo 8.15
    5 W_Benue_Congo 7.89
    6 Eastern_HG 3.03
    7 Ubangian_Congo 2.76
    8 Southern_HG 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ethiopian_Tygray 12.01
    2 Ethiopian_Afar 14.76
    3 Ethiopian_Amhara 15.08
    4 Ethiopian_Oromo 18.97
    5 Somali 21.53
    6 S_Moroccan 28.85
    7 Algerian 29.76
    8 Mozabite 30.58
    9 Libyan 31.66
    10 Ethiopian_Wolayta 33.24
    11 Tunisian 34.12
    12 N_Moroccan 34.95
    13 Nigeria_Fulani 38.75
    14 Egyptian 39.71
    15 Kenyan_Maasai 46.28
    16 Tanzania_Sandawe 48.76
    17 DRC_Hema 53.05
    18 Ethiopian_AriCultivator 60.5
    19 Chad_Bulala 62.85
    20 Kenyan_Bantu 64.68

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.7% S_Moroccan + 46.3% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 6.21
    2 61.5% Ethiopian_Oromo + 38.5% S_Moroccan @ 7.34
    3 68.1% Ethiopian_Amhara + 31.9% S_Moroccan @ 7.58
    4 75.4% Ethiopian_Tygray + 24.6% S_Moroccan @ 7.9
    5 69.1% Ethiopian_Afar + 30.9% S_Moroccan @ 8
    6 81.5% Ethiopian_Tygray + 18.5% Nigeria_Fulani @ 8.41
    7 52.3% Mozabite + 47.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 8.6
    8 63.5% Ethiopian_Oromo + 36.5% Mozabite @ 8.65
    9 51.3% Libyan + 48.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 9.11
    10 64.6% Ethiopian_Oromo + 35.4% Libyan @ 9.13
    11 58.5% Somali + 41.5% S_Moroccan @ 9.37
    12 63.3% Ethiopian_Oromo + 36.7% Algerian @ 9.65
    13 80.5% Ethiopian_Tygray + 19.5% Mozabite @ 9.73
    14 71.7% Ethiopian_Amhara + 28.3% Mozabite @ 9.82
    15 72.4% Ethiopian_Afar + 27.6% Mozabite @ 9.83
    16 66.8% Ethiopian_Oromo + 33.2% Tunisian @ 9.84
    17 67.5% Ethiopian_Oromo + 32.5% N_Moroccan @ 9.96
    18 92.4% Ethiopian_Tygray + 7.6% Ghana_Brong @ 9.99
    19 92.5% Ethiopian_Tygray + 7.5% Nigeria_Yoruba @ 10.04
    20 82% Ethiopian_Tygray + 18% Libyan @ 10.04

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiloSaharan View Post
    Pardon my ignorance - Could anyone bring me up to speed on where\when horners inherited their Nilo-Saharan ancestry - Lank & drobbah, would you say your amount of Nilo-Saharan ancestry is consistent with other horners?

    Is it generally believed to have been from the inter-mixture of Nilotic and Cushitic peoples in the Nile valley following the dry phase of the Sahara and development of Nile states ? That might explain some notable frequencies of the predominantly Nilotic A paternal haplogroup within the horn:

    Haplogroup A frequencies
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    (in %)

    Ethiopian Jews 41
    Nara (Eritrea) 20 ...*the Nara are Nilo-Saharan speakers, so no surprise here
    Amhara (Ethiopia) ~16
    Oromo (Ethiopia) 10
    South Semitic (Ethiopia) 10
    Nilo-Saharan ancestry in this calculator is the best available proxy for the African ancestry of Cushitic people. It should be understood as "Nilo-Saharan-related" ancestry. It is unknown whether some of the African ancestors of Proto-Cushites spoke Nilo-Saharan, or if it was some other group that was related to Nilo-Saharans (some of the uniparental markers are old enough to support the latter scenario).

    Once Cushites/"Horners" form their own ADMIXTURE component, nearly all of the "Nilo-Saharan" tends to disappear. The lack of recent Nilo-Saharan is supported by the observation that Y-DNA B is usually lacking in the Horn, but is fairly common in Nilo-Saharan speakers (~20% in the South Sudanese). Proto-Cushites are commonly believed to have migrated through North Sudan, where A-M13 but not B has been reported in ancient DNA.


    @Deftextra: That's a fairly high Omotic score. Dunno if it may be skewed by your Asian ancestry, though.

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    Hello all. I have received a lot of questions regarding the component names, since they are based on language, so I have decided to rename the components with proper geographical locations in order minimize confusion; I also expanded the oracle by including more populations from South Africa and West Africa. The total populations in the new K8 that will be released soon is 64. Here is a link to the spreadsheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puntDNALKing View Post
    Hello all. I have received a lot of questions regarding the component names, since they are based on language, so I have decided to rename the components with proper geographical locations in order minimize confusion; I also expanded the oracle by including more populations from South Africa and West Africa. The total populations in the new K8 that will be released soon is 64. Here is a link to the spreadsheet.
    Amazing work on the latest upgrade!

    In regards to the African only model, do you you foresee additional clusters being added in the near future?
    Similarly to the NK breakdown of bantu speakers (E Benue/W Benue/Ubangian), it would be interesting to see additional ancestral clusters for Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic speakers. Would the inclusion of Chadic and Central-Sudanic throw the calculator out of whack? I found mention of these clusters in a publication done by Tishkoff and others: "The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans" (2009).

    My knowledge regarding these calculators is humble at best but Western Semitic seems too broad a cluster for Afro-Asiatic speakers; their breakdown would be most interesting.

    Of course with my ancestry being primarily from the Central-Sudanic branch of NS speakers, I'm extremely curious to see associations with other oracle populations in the Sahel and surrounding regions.



    *... just realized my threads would've been better suited on the Autosomal (auDNA) forum
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    Interesting I've always thought my Western Semetic genes to have come from my Swahili side but this says its more from my Kikuyu maybe cushitic side inferring to the mixed population results.

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 E_Benue_Congo 36.08
    2 W_Benue_Congo 35.4
    3 Nilo_Saharan 10.28
    4 Western_Semitic 6.66
    5 Ubangian_Congo 6.02
    6 Omotic 3.35
    7 Eastern_HG 1.23
    8 Southern_HG 0.97

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kenyan_Bantu 6
    2 Cameroon_Fang 15.73
    3 DRC_Kongo 16.06
    4 SA_Pedi 16.79
    5 SA_Nguni 17.74
    6 Cameroon_Bamoun 18.36
    7 Chad_Kaba 21.02
    8 Kenyan_Luhya 21.24
    9 Cameroon_Mada 22.95
    10 Nigeria_Hausa 24.48
    11 DRC_Hema 24.6
    12 SA_Bantu 25.57
    13 Mali_Mandinka 26.33
    14 SA_Sotho/Tswana 26.53
    15 SA_Xhosa 28.17
    16 Alur 28.94
    17 Nigeria_Igbo 31.73
    18 Chad_Bulala 35.9
    19 Nigeria_Yoruba 36.17
    20 Nigeria_Fulani 36.69

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.8% DRC_Kongo + 39.2% DRC_Hema @ 3.34
    2 57.5% Cameroon_Bamoun + 42.5% DRC_Hema @ 3.63
    3 88.5% Kenyan_Bantu + 11.5% Nigeria_Fulani @ 3.7
    4 78.4% Cameroon_Fang + 21.6% Kenyan_Maasai @ 3.9
    5 94.8% Kenyan_Bantu + 5.2% S_Moroccan @ 4.18
    6 50.1% Nigeria_Hausa + 49.9% DRC_Hema @ 4.46
    7 95.6% Kenyan_Bantu + 4.4% Mozabite @ 4.5
    8 95.7% Kenyan_Bantu + 4.3% Libyan @ 4.53
    9 95.9% Kenyan_Bantu + 4.1% Tunisian @ 4.54
    10 96.1% Kenyan_Bantu + 3.9% Egyptian @ 4.54
    11 95.9% Kenyan_Bantu + 4.1% N_Moroccan @ 4.56
    12 95.8% Kenyan_Bantu + 4.2% Algerian @ 4.65
    13 59.8% DRC_Hema + 40.2% Nigeria_Yoruba @ 4.88
    14 83.5% Kenyan_Bantu + 16.5% DRC_Kongo @ 5.2
    15 90.5% Kenyan_Bantu + 9.5% Mali_Mandinka @ 5.36
    16 56.6% DRC_Hema + 43.4% Nigeria_Igbo @ 5.37
    17 92.1% Kenyan_Bantu + 7.9% Nigeria_Igbo @ 5.37
    18 96.2% Kenyan_Bantu + 3.8% Ethiopian_Tygray @ 5.4
    19 93.6% Kenyan_Bantu + 6.4% Ghana_Brong @ 5.4
    20 51.8% DRC_Hema + 48.2% Mali_Mandinka @ 5.43
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    Hmm I would like to see how Copts, Bedouins, Saudi Arabians and Yemenite Jews will score in Puntdnal K8 even though they are mostly non-African genetically. From what I know Copts have substantial African ancestry from 7~9-15% with average around 10~12% with their African is an East African Nilo-Saharan/Nilotic type that peaks in Dinkas, Shilluks, Nuers, Muris, Suris, etc. Unlike other MENAs, they lack the West-Central African component.

    The Copt's African ancestry is similar to those of Arabian populations like Bedouins, Saudi Arabians, Yemenite Jews and some Yemeni Muslims who can range from around 2~3 to 15% African (some Arabians is said to have around 15% East African Nilote)with most average around 6~10% SSA (based on the spreadsheets in K8) also of only East African Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan component.
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