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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    ^ you mean every Chamorro right?
    I can only speak for Chamorros from Guam. I haven't seen any results of Chamorros from the Northern Marianas.

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    Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
    and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
    and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

    from McDonald himself:

    Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
    and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
    and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
    most likely at the top
    Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Russian= 0.034 Jewish= 0.473 or
    Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Finland= 0.031 Jewish= 0.475 or
    Malaysia= 0.351 Papuan= 0.146 Spain= 0.061 Jewish= 0.442 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 English= 0.039 Jewish= 0.465 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 French= 0.048 Jewish= 0.456 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Poland= 0.033 Jewish= 0.472 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Irish= 0.033 Jewish= 0.471 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 Germany= 0.038 Jewish= 0.466 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Hungary= 0.047 Jewish= 0.458 or
    Malaysia= 0.352 Papuan= 0.146 Tuscan= 0.106 Jewish= 0.395

    which is the most exotic file I have ever seen. I looked at the file itself and it appears
    to be perfectly normal (i.e. not corrupt). I have a special program that looks
    carefully for Oceanic (Papuan or Melanesian) on the chromosomes, and it finds
    none at normal sensitivity. At somewhat enhanced sensitivity some E. Asian areas
    do become Oceanic.

    So I believe that in fact the Malaysian+Papuan is some sort of South Pacific island
    population. Its impossible to tell exactly what, as I have never seen such a person.
    I’ve never tested a Hawaiian, for example. I have seen Oceanic, but it came from
    Australian aborigines. I have seen people from the Philippines and they did not
    show significant Oceanic.

    If I had to guess, I’d say Borneo, Celebes, etc. But it could be anywhere ... even
    Hawaii. The other half, of course, is mostly if not entirely Jewish. Given the almost
    exact 50-50 split, it looks like the father is Jewish and the mother Asian, because
    of the X chromosome.

    What is it SUPPOSED to be??? I’ve love to know.

    His reply again to my friend,all this was back in 2013 and since my friend used his account to run and send the data possibly the algorithm has been updated since.

    have had, until now, absolutely no experience of data files from that area.

    But I would have and did expect Indonesia to split that way ... mostly like
    (mainland) Malaysia plus something more akin to the real Papuan/Melanesian types.

    But Wallace’s Line is quite real for people too, just not as clearly defined as for
    plants and non-human animals, so HOW and WHERE the mixing would occur is
    still unknown for the autosomes.

    This was also interesting to me since I spent last summer’s vacation in Malaysian Borneo.

    Doug
    Last edited by witness; 06-01-2017 at 02:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witness View Post
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    Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
    and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
    and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

    from McDonald himself:

    Most likely fit is 35.0% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
    and 14.6% (+- 0.0%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
    and 4.7% (+- 2.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 45.7% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (all Jewish)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
    most likely at the top
    Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Russian= 0.034 Jewish= 0.473 or
    Malaysia= 0.347 Papuan= 0.146 Finland= 0.031 Jewish= 0.475 or
    Malaysia= 0.351 Papuan= 0.146 Spain= 0.061 Jewish= 0.442 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 English= 0.039 Jewish= 0.465 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 French= 0.048 Jewish= 0.456 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Poland= 0.033 Jewish= 0.472 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Irish= 0.033 Jewish= 0.471 or
    Malaysia= 0.350 Papuan= 0.146 Germany= 0.038 Jewish= 0.466 or
    Malaysia= 0.349 Papuan= 0.146 Hungary= 0.047 Jewish= 0.458 or
    Malaysia= 0.352 Papuan= 0.146 Tuscan= 0.106 Jewish= 0.395

    which is the most exotic file I have ever seen. I looked at the file itself and it appears
    to be perfectly normal (i.e. not corrupt). I have a special program that looks
    carefully for Oceanic (Papuan or Melanesian) on the chromosomes, and it finds
    none at normal sensitivity. At somewhat enhanced sensitivity some E. Asian areas
    do become Oceanic.

    So I believe that in fact the Malaysian+Papuan is some sort of South Pacific island
    population. Its impossible to tell exactly what, as I have never seen such a person.
    I’ve never tested a Hawaiian, for example. I have seen Oceanic, but it came from
    Australian aborigines. I have seen people from the Philippines and they did not
    show significant Oceanic.

    If I had to guess, I’d say Borneo, Celebes, etc. But it could be anywhere ... even
    Hawaii. The other half, of course, is mostly if not entirely Jewish. Given the almost
    exact 50-50 split, it looks like the father is Jewish and the mother Asian, because
    of the X chromosome.

    What is it SUPPOSED to be??? I’ve love to know.

    His reply again to my friend,all this was back in 2013 and since my friend used his account to run and send the data possibly the algorithm has been updated since.

    have had, until now, absolutely no experience of data files from that area.

    But I would have and did expect Indonesia to split that way ... mostly like
    (mainland) Malaysia plus something more akin to the real Papuan/Melanesian types.

    But Wallace’s Line is quite real for people too, just not as clearly defined as for
    plants and non-human animals, so HOW and WHERE the mixing would occur is
    still unknown for the autosomes.

    This was also interesting to me since I spent last summer’s vacation in Malaysian Borneo.

    Doug
    This is mine (back in 2016)

    Most likely fit is 30.9% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
    and 25.5% (+- 5.9%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
    which is 56.4% total E. Asia
    and 43.6% (+- 6.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
    most likely at the top
    Dai= 0.306 Malaysian= 0.200 Melanesian= 0.494 or
    Dai= 0.308 Cambodian= 0.191 Melanesian= 0.501 or
    Dai= 0.311 Malaysian= 0.318 Papuan= 0.372 or
    Dai= 0.311 Cambodian= 0.309 Papuan= 0.379

    A different analysis method (the graph with bars) says you fit Papuan better than Melanesian

    Doug McDonald

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I am reviving this post as my Oceanian averages in the new MDLP K11 calculator are very high and higher than from both South Asian and Southeast Asian populations close to me: My oceanian average is 2.54 which is higher in the modern population averages context than other austroasiatic South Asian groups as well as Southeast Asian groups, the only ones that have higher oceanian percentages are in descending order: Papuan; Australian_Aborigens; Melanesian; Alorese; Lembata; Lamaholot; Manggarai; Tongan-Samoan; Kambera; Samoan; Ayta; Mamanwa; Ati; Onge; Agta; Toraja; Negrito_Kensiu; Great_Andamanese; Iraya; Negrito_Jehai; Minanubu; Fillipino_Chabakano' Mentawai; Javanese; Malay; Sunda; Filipino_Tagalog; Temuan; Thailand_Mlabri; Batak_Toba; Dayak; Bidayuh_Jagoi; Iban; China_Wa

    I am quite interested in trying to understand my Oceanian heritage further
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse1961 View Post
    I am a Filipino and here's my Eurogenes K13 and K15 results:

    K13

    North_Atlantic -
    Baltic 1.26
    West_Med 0.16
    West_Asian -
    East_Med -
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 7.12
    East_Asian 80.02
    Siberian 2.05
    Amerindian 1.30
    Oceanian 7.05
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 1.04

    K15

    North_Sea -
    Atlantic -
    Baltic 0.45
    Eastern_Euro -
    West_Med 0.47
    West_Asian -
    East_Med -
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 6.88
    Southeast_Asian 80.99
    Siberian 1.90
    Amerindian 1.13
    Oceanian 7.08
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 1.11

    I consistently score 5 to 10% Oceanian in Gedmatch...
    Here are Mrs Dewsloth's scores. Her parents are from the Philippines, but met in the US, and hopefully I can get them both to do FF:

    MDLP K23b

    1 Austronesian 48.33
    2 South_East_Asian 29.68
    3 Tungus-Altaic 5.94
    4 European_Early_Farmers 3.64
    5 Caucasian 3.11
    6 Melano_Polynesian 3.05
    7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.99
    8 South_Indian 2.24
    9 Archaic_African 0.51
    10 South_Central_Asian 0.44
    11 North_African 0.05
    12 Australoid 0.03


    MDLP World 22

    1 East-South-Asian 74.49
    2 East-Siberean 6.99
    3 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 5.68
    4 Indian 3.61
    5 North-East-European 2.93
    6 Melanesian 2.26
    7 Indo-Iranian 1.49
    8 Austronesian 1.36
    9 Near_East 0.39
    10 West-Asian 0.35
    11 Sub-Saharian 0.18
    12 South-America_Amerind 0.14
    13 Pygmy 0.07
    14 North-European-Mesolithic 0.05


    Eurogenes K13

    1 East_Asian 76.44
    2 North_Atlantic 5.34
    3 South_Asian 4.19
    4 West_Med 3.97
    5 Siberian 3.13
    6 Oceanian 2.94
    7 Baltic 2.13
    8 East_Med 0.92
    9 Northeast_African 0.58
    10 Amerindian 0.19
    11 Sub-Saharan 0.18

    Eurogenes K15

    1 Southeast_Asian 77.22
    2 South_Asian 4.4
    3 North_Sea 3.82
    4 Atlantic 3.56
    5 West_Med 3.55
    6 Oceanian 2.83
    7 Siberian 2.79
    8 Northeast_African 0.83
    9 Eastern_Euro 0.74
    10 Amerindian 0.24
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I am reviving this post as my Oceanian averages in the new MDLP K11 calculator are very high and higher than from both South Asian and Southeast Asian populations close to me: My oceanian average is 2.54 which is higher in the modern population averages context than other austroasiatic South Asian groups as well as Southeast Asian groups, the only ones that have higher oceanian percentages are in descending order: Papuan; Australian_Aborigens; Melanesian; Alorese; Lembata; Lamaholot; Manggarai; Tongan-Samoan; Kambera; Samoan; Ayta; Mamanwa; Ati; Onge; Agta; Toraja; Negrito_Kensiu; Great_Andamanese; Iraya; Negrito_Jehai; Minanubu; Fillipino_Chabakano' Mentawai; Javanese; Malay; Sunda; Filipino_Tagalog; Temuan; Thailand_Mlabri; Batak_Toba; Dayak; Bidayuh_Jagoi; Iban; China_Wa

    I am quite interested in trying to understand my Oceanian heritage further
    My paternal grandparents were from the central Philippines while my mother is Hawaiian. These are my results for MDLP K11, followed by my paternal aunt (since my father is deceased) and then my Hawaiian mother.

    ME
    1 SEA 71.95
    2 Oceanic 12.85
    3 WHG 4.74
    4 EHG 4.71
    5 Neolithic 2.84
    6 ASI 2.42
    7 Basal 0.25
    8 African 0.25

    PATERNAL AUNT
    1 SEA 89.63
    2 Oceanic 4.71
    3 ASI 3.99
    4 EHG 0.58
    5 African 0.42
    6 Amerindian 0.36
    7 Basal 0.3

    MOTHER
    1 SEA 60.63
    2 Oceanic 20.86
    3 EHG 6.99
    4 WHG 5.72
    5 Neolithic 3.04
    6 ASI 1.99
    7 African 0.41
    8 Amerindian 0.25
    9 Basal 0.1

    Also, my mother has about 17% European background and me about 11%. The Mamanwa were in the Cental Philippines, close to the areas of both of my grandparents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Here are Mrs Dewsloth's scores. Her parents are from the Philippines, but met in the US, and hopefully I can get them both to do FF:
    Well, now with one parent's results, it looks like the vast bulk of the westMed European is from her father's side of the family (though there is a bit of Baltic on her mom's).

    My mother-in-law (I think her family is from Cebu?):

    K9b:
    Population
    Southeast_Asian 65.96
    Northeast_Asian 26.85
    Oceanian 3.20
    North_European 2.82
    Native_American 0.55
    South_African 0.40
    Mediterranean 0.23

    MDLP K23b
    # Population Percent
    1 Austronesian 54.89
    2 South_East_Asian 31.25
    3 Tungus-Altaic 5.23
    4 South_Indian 2.55
    5 Australoid 2.33
    6 Melano_Polynesian 1.56
    7 South_Central_Asian 1.33
    8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.49
    9 European_Early_Farmers 0.17
    10 Archaic_African 0.11
    11 Caucasian 0.05
    12 Archaic_Human 0.04

    MDLP K11
    # Population Percent
    1 SEA 91.03
    2 Oceanic 3.99
    3 ASI 2.91
    4 EHG 1.28
    5 WHG 0.62
    6 African 0.17


    MDLP World 22
    1 East-South-Asian 80.33
    2 East-Siberean 8.15
    3 Indian 3.13
    4 Melanesian 2.7
    5 Austronesian 2.12
    6 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.13
    7 Indo-Iranian 0.82
    8 West-Asian 0.51
    9 North-Amerind 0.36
    10 Paleo-Siberian 0.34
    11 North-European-Mesolithic 0.18
    12 Mesoamerican 0.14
    13 Sub-Saharian 0.08


    Eurogenes K13
    1 East_Asian 82.96
    2 South_Asian 4.86
    3 Siberian 4.83
    4 Oceanian 4.19
    5 Baltic 2.29
    6 North_Atlantic 0.7
    7 Sub-Saharan 0.16
    8 Amerindian 0.01


    Eurogenes K15
    1 Southeast_Asian 83.51
    2 Siberian 4.8
    3 South_Asian 4.76
    4 Oceanian 4.23
    5 North_Sea 1.83
    6 Baltic 0.59
    7 Sub-Saharan 0.17
    8 Amerindian 0.1
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 08-09-2017 at 07:04 PM.
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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