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Thread: Z1a1a - Southwestern-Norwegian-cluster

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    They never lived anywhere near Rogaland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    The problem with claiming it's of Sami origin is that not even (Norwegian) Samis have such a high frequency of Z (8%):
    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...l#figure-title
    In fact, Norwegian Samis lack the mitochondrial Z haplotype.

    Also, is there any evidence that Samis ever lived as far south as Rogaland?
    8% is higher than in the Norwegian population, so it is far more likely that it is Saami derived than anything else.. And south Saami peoples lived as far south as the Hardanger platou:
    http://arkeologi.blogspot.com/2006/0...ngervidda.html


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    Although while I think all Z1a in Norway is of Saami derived ancestry, there are other Eurasian mtDNA linages within the Norwegian genepool that are not found within the Saami, such as mtDNA G2a, so I guess one should not rule out anything..

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    8% is higher than in the Norwegian population, so it is far more likely that it is Saami derived than anything else.. And south Saami peoples lived as far south as the Hardanger platou:
    http://arkeologi.blogspot.com/2006/0...ngervidda.html

    So why do Norwegian Samis lack the Z haplogroup then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Although while I think all Z1a in Norway is of Saami derived ancestry, there are other Eurasian mtDNA linages within the Norwegian genepool that are not found within the Saami, such as mtDNA G2a, so I guess one should not rule out anything..
    All of the mtDna in Norwegians is Eurasian- west eurasian hehe

    Seriously though, i don't think we can blame all the east eurasian haplogroups in Scandos on Sami influence as sometimes even they lack them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    So why do Norwegian Samis lack the Z haplogroup then?
    Where did you read that?

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

    http://dienekes.blogspot.no/2006/09/...-in-saami.html

    mtDNA Z is found in the Saami genepool (Saami genepool meaning all Saami groups)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    All of the mtDna in Norwegians is Eurasian- west eurasian hehe

    Seriously though, i don't think we can blame all the east eurasian haplogroups in Scandos on Sami influence as sometimes even they lack them.
    Saami do have some eastern DNA influence, as has been established by the presence of mtDNA groups such as Z, but also by autosomal DNA signatures that connect them with other Eurasian groups in modern day Russia. It is also pretty obvious in terms of phenotype that they have a eastern influence within their collective genepool...

    However, regarding G2a and other Eurasian mtDNA groups, these are not connected with Saami, and have a different history, just like YDNA Q in Scandinavia have a different history and not associated with Saami..
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Where did you read that?

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

    http://dienekes.blogspot.no/2006/09/...-in-saami.html

    mtDNA Z is found in the Saami genepool (Saami genepool meaning all Saami groups)...
    For some reason, Samis from Sweden, Norway and Finland are a bit different from each other.

    Here's the evidence that Norwegian Samis lack haplogroup Z:
    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...l#figure-title

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Saami do have some eastern DNA influence, as has been established by the presence of mtDNA groups such as Z, but also by autosomal DNA signatures that connect them with other Eurasian groups in modern day Russia. It is also pretty obvious in terms of phenotype that they have a eastern influence within their collective genepool...

    However, regarding G2a and other Eurasian mtDNA groups, these are not connected with Saami, and have a different history, just like YDNA Q in Scandinavia have a different history and not associated with Saami..
    When did i deny an eastern influence in the Sami gene pool?
    I was just saying that not all of the east eurasian haplogroups in Scandos must have come from Samis, that's all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nordic View Post
    For some reason, Samis from Sweden, Norway and Finland are a bit different from each other.

    Here's the evidence that Norwegian Samis lack haplogroup Z:
    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...l#figure-title
    It is a shame that they did not label what kind of Saami they tested in Norway, I suspect they are northern Saami. However, you are aware that southern Saami in Sweden and Norway are the same ethnic group right? So Southern Swedish is the same as southern Norwegian.

    Furthermore, those regional difference arent that important in this respect given that we know the Saami as a umbrella term share a common genepool that span the whole of the Nordic region and is found in all the Saami regional groups, such as Lule, southern Saami etc....

    Here is a arty type Video about the south Saami:
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