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Thread: Laz Y-DNA Distribution

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    I was not talking about the specific clade of the L1b

    There is extensive presence of the haplogroup L in and around Afghanistan/Pakistan/East Iran. It radiates southwardly into India and Westerwardly into Iran and Anatolia. Certain subclades of it might be specific to the Caucasus region. But it did not originate there. Unlikely in my opinion given their reach.

    Do you have the subclade breakdown of the haplogroup G2 among the Laz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupus82 View Post
    I was not talking about the specific clade of the L1b

    There is extensive presence of the haplogroup L in and around Afghanistan/Pakistan/East Iran. It radiates southwardly into India and Westerwardly into Iran and Anatolia. Certain subclades of it might be specific to the Caucasus region. But it did not originate there. Unlikely in my opinion given their reach.

    Do you have the subclade breakdown of the haplogroup G2 among the Laz?
    Lupus82,

    You can see details in this paper.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10...439-017-1770-2

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    Paternal Y-DNA: R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>L584>FGC14590 (Big-Y); Yfull ID: YF5208; Osman Sari b.1771 M3'anu / Vicealti / Lazistan
    Maternal mtDna: N1b1 (FS); Gulsum Yapici, b. 1894 in Siyat / Art'aseni / Lazistan
    Paternal mtDna: U3b2a1(FS); Elmas Kalayci, b. 190X in Kvancareri / Art'aseni / Lazistan

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    Why on earth are laz & circassian related topics on turkic forum?? I get it that they are minorities in turkey but nonetheless they are caucasian & kartvelian people so the topics regarding their ethnic makeup or ancestry should be posted elsewhere. No Offense.

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    This is a good point. Moving the thread shortly to the Caucasus section with a one-week expiring redirect. I'm not sure why some of us had a blind spot regarding that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XooR View Post
    Krasnodar in your chart is NW of modern Sochi in south Russia , what does it have to do with Armenia and Georgia ?

    It was the area of the Circassian "blue eyed" people . Many taken as slaves from the port of Azov by Venetian merchants from ~1210 to ~1450



    There is a difference between Russians and Circassians

    some authors state slavery was abolished in Venice in 1380 and some say around 1450
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    European - 99.2%............Central Asian - 0.8% .............Yfull - 1460BC
    Father's Mtdna .....T2b17.......1735 Porcellengo Veneto Italy
    Sons Mtdna .....K1a4 ...........1710 Carnic Alps

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, A339+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Krasnodar in your chart is NW of modern Sochi in south Russia , what does it have to do with Armenia and Georgia ?

    It was the area of the Circassian "blue eyed" people . Many taken as slaves from the port of Azov by Venetian merchants from ~1210 to ~1450



    There is a difference between Russians and Circassians

    some authors state slavery was abolished in Venice in 1380 and some say around 1450
    Its not the Krasnador average but Armenians in Krasnador who moved there in early 1900's due to civil war in ottoman empire.

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    interestingly enough, couple of years ago there was some sort of research of y-dna lineages among the Gurians, who form a Georgian-speaking intermediate ethnographic group between Mingrelia and Lazistan.

    I don't have the links for the results and only 30 of us were tested (and there was no deep testing involved, alas) , but interestingly enough there was not a single L1b in the results. There was the traditional 30-30% of G2a and J2, with r1b and I taking the third and fourth places with around 12-10% each

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    After a hiatus of almost 2 years, I am ready to make my first update. Initially I had 54 samples and now I have almost doubled the size of samples to 102. The biggest help was adding the results from Balonovsky's paper (36). The rest was gathered from FTDNA project pages and various peoples tested from 23andme and Geno.

    N=102 (November 24, 2017)

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    Paternal Y-DNA: R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>L584>FGC14590 (Big-Y); Yfull ID: YF5208; Osman Sari b.1771 M3'anu / Vicealti / Lazistan
    Maternal mtDna: N1b1 (FS); Gulsum Yapici, b. 1894 in Siyat / Art'aseni / Lazistan
    Paternal mtDna: U3b2a1(FS); Elmas Kalayci, b. 190X in Kvancareri / Art'aseni / Lazistan

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    No R1a yet they have I2? Pretty interesting.

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