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    Iranian Kuwaiti/Ajam/Ayam Uniparental Marker Data

    From FTDNA and 23andme, some might be Qatari or from the UAE (it wouldn't create a huge difference since Iranians from Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and the UAE basically came from the same regions). I only included people with exclusively Iranian/Ajam surnames.
    From wiki:

     


    In the Persian Gulf region today, people usually refer to Persian as Ajami as they refer to Persian carpet (Ajami carpet or sajjad al Ajami), Persian cat (Ajami cat), and Persian emperors (Ajami kings).[8] The Persian community in Bahrain calls itself Ajami.


    'Ajam was used by the Ottomans to refer to the Safavids[9]
    The Kurdish historian, Sharaf-al-Din Bitlisi, uses the term Ajam( عجم) in his book Sharafnama (1597 CE) to refer to the Shia Persians.[10]
    In the Eastern Anatolia Region, Azerbaijanis are sometimes referred to as acem (which is the Turkish translation of Ajam).[11]
    Modern Sunni Kurds of Iran use this term to denote Persians, Azeris and Southern Kurds.[12]
    It is also the old name of Iran used mostly by Arabs and Turks (keshvar-e Ajam) as a synonym to Persia, also a medieval name for the Persian Gulf (Bahr-e Ajam), or to refer to the follower of Shia religion.[15]
    In Oriental music there is a maqam (musical mode) called Ajam, meaning "the Persian mode", corresponding to the major scale in European music.[16]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajam





    This list is a bit different from the one I posted yesterday, because I added few extra samples.

    Y-DNA

    x1 R2a
    x1 L1
    x1 L2
    x5 L3 (All belong to the same family)
    x1 J2
    x1 C5
    x2 R1a1a1b2a2*
    x2 R1a1a*
    x1 R1a ( L342+ L657-)
    x3 G1a (2 belong to the same family)
    x12 T1 (All belong to the same family)
    x1 J1-P56
    x1 E1b1b1c1
    x1 Q1a*

    mtDNA

    x1 HV
    x1 HV1
    x1 HV2
    x1 H1
    x1 H14
    x1 N1b
    x2 N3
    x1 L2a1c
    x1 M1a1
    x1 J1b2
    x1 J1c
    x1 J1d1
    x2 R0a (possibly related)
    x1 U7a4
    x2 U8b1a1 (related)
    x1 U8b
    x1 K1a

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    Is the q1a* confirmed with snp testing, or old 23andme nomenclature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Is the q1a* confirmed with snp testing, or old 23andme nomenclature?
    He's from 23andme. His paternal line is from Larestan region as far as I remember. Larestan is basically the southern tip of Fars province, it has few Qashqai towns.
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    He doesn't score any east asian or native american on 23andme's AC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    He's from 23andme. His paternal line is from Larestan region as far as I remember. Larestan is basically the southern tip of Fars province, it has few Qashqai towns.
    1849__IR.gif

    He doesn't score any east asian or native american on 23andme's AC.
    He should definitely consider testing at FTDNA, there is a big possibility he will belong to the arabic cluster of m25, which seems more ajam than arab to me. It seems to be concentrated around the persian gulf (bahrain, qatar) and they have a recent ancestor within 1500years or so. Does he claim descend from any Shiite scholar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    He should definitely consider testing at FTDNA, there is a big possibility he will belong to the arabic cluster of m25, which seems more ajam than arab to me. It seems to be concentrated around the persian gulf (bahrain, qatar) and they have a recent ancestor within 1500years or so. Does he claim descend from any Shiite scholar?
    Majority of Larestani Persians are Sunni/Shafi'i afaik.
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    From what a Larestani Iranian told me he said most Iranians in the Gulf come from Larestan, Khuzestan and Hormozogan. Khuzestan is culturally similar to Kuwait because of the Shia Arabs living there.

    @ Jesus are there any admixture results for people from Larestan or Khuzestan?? I have only seen Iranian Baloch.

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    I thought that it was mostly one way traffic, would be interesting to see results from khuzestani arab and persian

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    They look mostly like south Iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbogan View Post
    They look mostly like south Iranians.
    And what do the south Iranians look like?

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