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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    Kandahri (Sh) pashto has more sounds and eastern pashto has more retroflex (not really significant tho, just for an understanding)

    Pashto pronunciation differs from dialect to dialect; there are certain alphabets that have different sounds. …On top of my mind



    1.Comb = ږمنڅ
    The first letter is Zh also J for us while eastern pashto pronounces it as G as in gun
    Zzamundz (Sh), Gamunzz (E).

    2. Beautiful: ښاسته
    The first letter is S for us and K for eastern
    Shayesta, Khayesta

    3. Moon: سپوږمۍ
    Spoozhmai, Sppogmai
    Yeah so when I write zh I mean it to sound like muzh not moong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellifluous View Post
    You mean the sound in the word Zhwand, for example? The G in Gigi is between Z and J.
    Correct

    The problem is Kurds and Pashtuns will understand it but the rest may not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    Correct
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2d...gigi_lifestyle

    The first two pronunciations of the name Gigi are similar to how the Zh in Zhwand is pronounced. No need for a sound clip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    Yeah so when I write zh I mean it to sound like muzh not moong
    hahahaha, I remembered this song of zarsanga and co they keep on saying MOONG, makes me uncomfy

    The Zh also Jh sound you are looking for is normally the letter ژ Zhaba as in tongue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    hahahaha, I remembered this song of zarsanga and co they keep on saying MOONG, makes me uncomfy

    The Zh also Jh sound you are looking for is normally the letter ژ Zhaba as in tongue.

    I guess I have get a keyboard that lets me put dots on Z How do they say zamong in Kandhar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I guess I have get a keyboard that lets me put dots on Z How do they say zamong in Kandhar
    ژـژ

    copy/paste this.


    I like to write the perso-arabic scripts precisely for this reason. There are many ways to type a letter in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    I guess I have get a keyboard that lets me put dots on Z How do they say zamong in Kandhar
    Zamunz / Zamuzz

    I happen to speak, sorta... archaic pashto also known as old kandahari dialect (Thanks to my grandparents), it sounds folkish as compared to the ever changing vocabulary and utterance of words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    Zamunz / Zamuzz

    I happen to speak, sorta... archaic pashto also known as old kandahari dialect (Thanks to my grandparents), it sounds folkish as compared to the ever changing vocabulary and utterance of words.
    I give you alot of credit being 2nd generation outside Afganistan. Many 1st generation even don't speak it.
    Most of the Pashtuns in Pakistan speak the eastern Pukhto dialect, but the ones from the area where my maternal side is from, Quetta, speak the Kandhari Pashto dialect. The ones from Bannu sounded different from both the eastern and western dialects

    I just filled in a bunch of Kurdi Urdu Punjabi in your spreadsheet

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    Table of Contents
    PHILOLOGICAL BOUNTY............................................ .................................................. .....1
    RELIGIOUS AND ARTISTIC DIVERSITY .................................................. .............................2
    OTHER TARIM SITES .................................................. .................................................. ....3
    ORIGINAL MEDIEVAL TURFANIAN LANGUAGE? .................................................. ..............3
    Kucha and Kuchean........................................... .................................................. ........3
    Khotan and Khotanese......................................... .................................................. ......4
    Tumshuq and Tumshuqese .................................................. ........................................4
    Kroraina/Loulan............................................ .................................................. ............5
    Kashgar and Yarkand .................................................. ................................................5
    Turfan, Qarashahr and Tocharian A................................................. ............................7
    KAREZ............................................. .................................................. ..............................8
    THE HYPOTHESIS .................................................. .................................................. .........9
    ADMINISTRATIVE EVIDENCE .................................................. ........................................ 11
    Tarim Legal Traditions........................................ .................................................. .... 11
    Kushan Tarim Control........................................... .................................................. .. 12
    Loanword Evidence for Kushan Tarim Control .................................................. ....... 16
    Bactrian Administrative Terms in the Tarim Languages ........................................ 17
    Prakrit Administrative Terms in the Tarim Languages......................................... .. 19
    Contract Structure Evidence for Kushan Tarim Control........................................... .. 20
    Prakrit Contracts......................................... .................................................. ......... 20
    Khotanese Contracts......................................... .................................................. ... 23
    Tumshuqese Contracts......................................... .................................................. 24
    Uyghur Contracts from Yarkand........................................... ................................. 28
    Uyghur Contracts from Turfan............................................ ................................... 30
    Bactrian Contracts......................................... .................................................. ...... 32
    The Contract Evidence, Summary........................................... ............................... 36
    HISTORICAL EVIDENCE .................................................. ................................................ 37
    Names for the Turfan Region in the Chinese Annals............................................ ...... 37
    SHIMAZAKI on the Nomadic Jushi............................................. ................................. 37
    Ancient and Modern Populations....................................... ........................................ 39
    Han to Tang Turfan Population Growth............................................ ......................... 40
    Stein Summary........................................... .................................................. ............. 41
    Stein on Late Islamization .................................................. ....................................... 44
    ENVIRONMENTAL EVIDENCE .................................................. ........................................ 44
    Climate Change............................................ .................................................. ........... 44
    SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION .................................................. ....................................... 48
    REFERENCES .................................................. .................................................. .............. 52

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