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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMC View Post

    Is there anyone else here with the same marker as myself? I would also like to know if anyone has any historical explainations as to how this marker got to the various parts of Scotland and rest of the British Isles.
    What ho, Cousin...

    I have it - and I suspect my otherwise anglo-welsh ancestry is responsible in part for the incidence attributed to the Principality.

    For my part, I'm delighted to have the connection (the rest of my results place me squarely in Europe). I understand the original S1954 concentrations run along the northern plains of Germany / Baltic coast? I was surprised that the incidence in GB is as low as 0.5%, although I understand the cultural influence of the Anglo-Saxon migration was much wider than its genetic contribution. I suspect that anywhere with decent farmland on the eastern side of GB was a reasonable place to turn up in a longboat and stay put - that goes for Lowland (modern) Scotland and up to & beyond Aberdeen ? (best potato country north of the border)

    My understanding is that the ancient genetics of Scotland are marginally more diverse than for most of the rest of the UK? Since the sea was maybe more of a highway than a barrier to our ancient ancestors that's unsurprising perhaps. In any case as a keen student of agriculture, I'd say that hybrid vigour is something worth having.

    Best wishes from the sunny south coast of England.

    David
    Last edited by Melcombe; 02-14-2016 at 08:11 PM.

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    I'm going to revive this thread, as it did mention the I-S1954 as Anglo-Saxon, here are some interesting things to read through:

    Aberlady Angles, fascinating Anglo-Saxon discovery in Aberlady, Scotland
    https://aberladyangles.com/anglo-saxons/

    Oswald & the Irish
    http://www.heroicage.org/issues/4/ziegler.html

    The Anglo-British Cemetery at Bamburgh
    http://www.heroicage.org/issues/4/Bamburgh.html

    What's in a name?
    http://www.heroicage.org/issues/4/Matthews.html

    Post-Severan Cramond:
    http://www.heroicage.org/issues/4/Cessford.html
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
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    R-M222 x2 (Ireland), R-L21 x2 (Ireland & Scotland), I-M223 (Ireland), R-S1141 (Scotland), R-U198 & R-U106 (Netherlands), mtHg J1c3 (Ireland)
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    Here are a few more interesting reads pertaining to Germanic cultures and history.

    The Anglo-Saxon Runic Inscriptions
    http://www.arild-hauge.com/eanglor.htm

    Heroes, Saints, and Martyrs: Holy Kingship from Bede to Aelfric
    http://www.heroicage.org/issues/9/hare.html

    In search of Beowulf
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C0sFXU0SLo
    A fairly interesting watch, with some debatable comments made about the Anglo-Saxons and the Adventus Saxonum.

    Bernicia/Bryneich
    https://hefenfelth.wordpress.com/200...niciabryneich/

    Dictionary of the Scots Language (Dictionar o the Scots Leid)
    http://www.dsl.ac.uk/about-scots/his...scots/origins/
    Fairly interesting information here, I'm most interested in some of the mentions of early Anglo-Saxon involvement in Scotland and early cultural syncretism of Anglo-Saxons and Cumbrians.
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMC View Post

    Let's face it MacUalraig surely a Norwegean Viking marker would be more likely than an Anglo Saxon one - and this was the category that ScotlandsDNA described my one as being. I therefore find it very puzzling to put my gene marker into a historical context.

    BTW I don't know what you mean by a 'paper trail'. All I know is that my clan name 'MacLaren' originates in the central Highlands near Loch Earn.
    While I know the following could be coincidental, around the time of Edward I of England and the Ragman rolls notably in Lennox there was an individual with the name "Duncan son of Patrick mac Eadwulf". He wasn't the only "Mac Edulf" in the area, there are a number of them:


    Gilla Micheil's wife seems to have also had a Celtic name "Mythoc" and another grandson of an Eadwulf, John son of Michael son of Eadwulf also had a wife with a Celtic name: Farbhlaidh.

    I would imagine a few of these descendants of Eadwulf came as soldiers, as there is mention in an entry for Dunbartonshire history of a Duncan MacEdolf who is listed as a "militibus".


    And more

    Seems to me there were a number of men of (possible) Anglo-Saxon origin in areas typically ruled by Celtic mormaers. If you check out some of the people from Lothian, the Borders and Dumfries-Galloway on that website you'll find some interesting networks between families in modern Scotland and Cumbria/Northumberland.
    Last edited by spruithean; 09-26-2017 at 09:29 PM.
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
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    R-M222 x2 (Ireland), R-L21 x2 (Ireland & Scotland), I-M223 (Ireland), R-S1141 (Scotland), R-U198 & R-U106 (Netherlands), mtHg J1c3 (Ireland)
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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