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Thread: I2a2 (I-M436): Germanic origin?

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    I2a2 (I-M436): Germanic origin?

    So, I knew for some weeks that I have the I2a2 haplogroup. However, I assumed that this is the common Balkanic haplogroup. Apparently that one is I2a1b or I-M423. I2a2 seems to occur in the Germanic people and it is pretty much rare everywhere else.
    So, does anyone know if there were any studies about this haplogroup in these parts of Europe? It seems interesting that it exists here.

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    Hhhmm. I don't think its "Germanic" at all, actually. Its spread over vast areas of continental Europe- including Albanians (~up to 10%). Ask some of the other guys' opinions.

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    I-M436 has two different sub-branches which diverged over 17,000 years ago. Are you referring more specifically to the rarer I-L38, or the common I-M223 ?

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    I referred to I-M436 generally because I'm a newb at this. I got only i2a2 in the 23andme report. Is it possible to find out the sub-branch from the 23andme v4 raw data? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    So, I knew for some weeks that I have the I2a2 haplogroup. However, I assumed that this is the common Balkanic haplogroup. Apparently that one is I2a1b or I-M423. I2a2 seems to occur in the Germanic people and it is pretty much rare everywhere else.
    So, does anyone know if there were any studies about this haplogroup in these parts of Europe? It seems interesting that it exists here.
    I2a2 is very old and not specif to Germanics. I2a2a has been found in Neolithic Spain, Bronze age Hungary, and Bronze age Russia. Your I2a2 doesn't have to be of Germanic origin, it could be from almost any European people who ran through Moldova at some point in time. The only specificity about I2a2, is that it probably comes from Mesolithic "WHG" who lived from Balkans-Ireland-Spain and today is pretty much exclusive to Europe.

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    I2a2 at 23andMe is usually Dinaric. Depending on the chip version or the bug in assgnment Dinaric is reported as I2a2, I2a2b or I2a2a. If you are East European you most probably are Dinaric.

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    I saw many people who are found as I2a2b and I also encountered some that are I2a2a. I'm wondering why it couldn't have gone deeper for me too.

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    Were you given the SNP M436 or just the label I2a2? If you go to your raw data, test what you have for rs17315680. That's the I2a2-M436 SNP, if you have C allele it means you have I2a2-M436.

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    I was given only the label I2a2 and I found on eupedia and wikipedia that it's also called I-M436. No, I have G allele. I will read more about haplogroups.

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    I-M436 isn't I2a2 at 23andME, it's I2b1. That's why the heaviest concentration is found in western Europe on the map rather than eastern Europe. I2a2 at 23andMe is I-M423, and there are common subclades (today) in eastern Europe and Balkans.
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    maternal-grandfather YDNA: ? Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: ? Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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