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    First LBK find of M253 in Hungary

    I don't now if this paper by Szécsényi has been mentioned in another thread, but the find of an I1 individual in an LBK context in Hungary is interesting as this is most common in candinavia of course.

    However, it struck me that as 13910 frequencies are high in Scandinavia but are thought to have originated in central or south western europe around this time, I1s carrying the lactase persistence allele to Scandinavia could be a good example of the frequencies expanding on the wavefront of demographics.

    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/09/03/008664

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    Good to see you here again Authun.

    Yes the findings of that paper have been included in my online tables, and were discussed in another thread here.

    Quote Originally Posted by authun View Post
    I1s carrying the lactase persistence allele to Scandinavia could be a good example of the frequencies expanding on the wavefront of demographics.
    No 13910T has been found in the LBK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    No 13910T has been found in the LBK.

    That's not what I really meant. It doesn't have to be in the LBK, in fact, I don't think I1 has even been found at such an early date in Scandinavia anyway. 13910t does require people to migrate from central europe to Scandinavia however at some point in time, in order to introduce it there. I1 may have migrated from central europe to Scandinavia after the LBK and carried the allele. Or are there better candidates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by authun View Post
    I1 may have migrated from central europe to Scandinavia after the LBK and carried the allele. Or are there better candidates?
    Better? I don't have any!

    According to a study published in 2007, 13910T was found in 50% of farmer samples in the TRB in Sweden. http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/autosomaladna.shtml We don't have any Y-DNA from the TRB, so all I can tell you is that the autosomal DNA of Gök4, a TRB farmer from Gökhem parish, Sweden was similar to that of other early European farmers. So if the data on 13910T is sound and holds up in later studies, then the Y-DNA of its carriers is likely have been among Balkan farmers pushing northwards c. 4000 BC.

    However I1 in the LBK does rule out my hypothesis that it arrived in the north before farming. So we are getting somewhere. Slowly.

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