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Thread: New SNP: ZZ10 father of CTS3386,MC14,Z253,Z255

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    Cross-posted from the Z39589 thread; thanks for creating the subgrouping for us!

    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Okay, I added a ZZ10+ category, a Z39589+ category, and reordered the whole shebang to reflect the phylogenetic order (somewhat). It's not alphabetical; there are just too many new SNPs coming down the pike to keep up with being that orderly.

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    Two more ZZ10* results showed up in the most recent set of SNP results in the R-L21 project:

    N129953 - Jacob
    163030 - Chadwick

    Based on the slow but steady trickle of R-ZZ10* results coming in with each set of SNP Pack results, I'll likely put in a request to start an FTDNA "R-ZZ10 and Misc Subclades" project. To go slightly off-topic, I suspect that the numbers of truly DF13* guys will soon become quite small, with most of that group found to be either Z39589+ or ZZ10+.

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    Another ZZ10* result showed up sometime in the past week or two: 187958 - Wilson.

    While there aren't that many results to draw conclusions from at this point, it is interesting to note that DYF 395S1a-b values of 15-17 are found in 50% (4/8) of the ZZ10* surnames. While none of the results appear to be particularly close to each other, I suspect that there are one or more true clades among just the ZZ10* men known up to this point.

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    As suspected, we've now found a fifth public clade beneath ZZ10. It's taken almost a decade, but I've finally left paragroup purgatory. :-)

    The Big Y results for 422116 - Wall - came in today and he shares over a dozen high-reliability SNPs below ZZ10 with the two Whidden Big Y results.

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    swid,
    Glad to hear that you are not stuck at DF13.
    Thanks for reporting on the new DF13>>ZZ10 descendant branch. What do you think will be the lead SNP?
    dp :-)
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    None of them currently have a name, at least as far as FTDNA or (from looking at the mutations on my dad's Big Tree page) Alex is aware of. I'll have to double-check the positions in YBrowse to see if any currently do; if it turns out that none are named, I'll put in a request for one or more to be named in the BY series.

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    FTDNA added the new branch to their haplotree as BY4045; these SNPs are not yet available to order.

    BY4045haplotree.PNG

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    I had put in a request a couple months back to create an R-ZZ10 FTDNA project; although I had assumed the request had been forgotten about, I got an email this morning saying that the new project request had been approved.

    To find and/or join it, look for "R-ZZ10 and Misc Subclades" in the R section of the Y-DNA Haplogroup Projects section or just search for a surname of ZZ10. The URL that FTDNA created for it is a little mangled (so I'm not posting a direct link), so hopefully I can get it corrected to a shorter, non-mangled one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DickAllen View Post
    Hi, I'm kit # N3983 you refer to as another R-ZZ10* person found via Big Y testing. I am new at this but starting to get the go and flow of the analyses. It appears that ZZ10 is somewhat rare at this point in time. What dose the * stand for after ZZ10? Also does ZZ10 place me in a specific group such as Irish, Scottish, or one of the other groups I have seen listed?
    Another member of R-subgroup d, FTDNA has also run the Big Y. He is also DF13. In the Big Y matches he and I have one variable. It appears if all the members of R-subgroup d ran the Big Y they would all be DF13. We all have one thing in common. We have a value of 13 at DYS426. I understand that 13 at DYS426 is very rare. Would it help in tracing our ancestral origins? None of the other subgroups in the Allen Family Group project - FTDNA have the value 13 at DYS 426.
    Your STR cluster - df13-z42613-A - now has its own set of SNPs underneath ZZ10 and is R-BY12512 on the FTDNA haplotree. If you can, please join the R-ZZ10 and Misc Subclades project (and encourage the other members of "R subgroup D" in your surname project to join as well).

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    An update on the MC14 front:

    I recently realized that one of the men in the R-ZZ10 project (kit N57429) does *not* group into either of the two known clades (A2070 and BY246/MacWho) below MC14. He has no Big Y matches and no STR matches above 25 markers, either.

    As he's not on the Big Tree; I have sent him an email to see if he would submit his results there.

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