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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Kit 163684 got his Big Y results today, about a month earlier than predicted. I emailed him about sending his raw results on to Alex Williamson and to YFull.

    Looks like he is BY160/BY166+ but ancestral for the Stevens SNPs (no big surprise there).
    Kit 163684 has the surname Webb. As I mentioned before, he is a 103/111 match for me.

    He has been on Alex's Big Tree for a week or two now. What is interesting is that his entry his shaded in red:

    R1b-41-1123 Big Tree 29 May 2017.jpg

    Here is what Alex says about the red shading:

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Williamson
    A red background is used for men whose data has not yet been fully analyzed. His position on the tree is not yet final, and will in general be downstream of the current position. He may not be positive for all the SNPs/INDELs in the block he descends from.
    Since none of Webb's really close STR matches (same surname, otherwise, I'm about as close as they get) has done the Big Y yet, I'm thinking it's that last sentence that applies in this case. So, it looks like Webb's result could possibly further split our little group.

    He finally got his BAM file link from FTDNA and submitted it to YFull. It should be interesting to see how all this turns out.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here's a snippet from Alex Williamson's Big Tree showing the current status of the Big Y tested members of the BY166 group. We have eight Big Y tested guys thus far, including five from the Stephens/Stevens clan. The analysis is not yet quite complete for kits shaded in red. Theoretically, their positions could change.

    We really need Jones, kit B41942, to do the Big Y, since a SAPP tree I recently ran shows him and Samuel, kit N104746, on their own separate branch below BY166, the way it shows Stevens, kit 522600, and I on our own separate branch. 522600 and I share the SNP FGC36982 below FGC36974. The SAPP tree also shows Stephens, kit B112267, on a separate branch below FGC36974 with Stephens, kit 208061. A Big Y test of 208061 might reveal a SNP he and B112267 share below FGC36974.

    R1b-41-1123 Big Tree 29 June 2017.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here's the latest Big Tree snippet for the R1b-41-1123 cluster.

    Here's what Alex Williamson says about the red bar on the left side of some of the boxes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Williamson
    Those men with a grey background and a pink bar to their left have been finalized, but haven't gone through as much scrutinity as earlier kits have. In particular, no search has been made for recurrent SNPs or other unusual mutations. For the vast majority of kits, this has no effect at all, but I will review them as necessary in the future.
    R1b-41-1123 Big Tree 26 July 2017.jpg
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here's our little cluster thus far on YFull's R1b Tree, version 5.05:

    R1b-41-1123 YFull Tree 30 July 2017.jpg

    Needless to say, I added the names and FTDNA kit numbers.

    Two of our guys are awaiting YFull's analysis and should appear on the tree soon. We have one Big Y-tested member (Self, kit 53479) who has never submitted his BAM file to YFull. He's on Alex Williamson's Big Tree, however.

    I think the tmrca dates for FGC36974 and FGC36982 are too large, but more data should fix that.
    Last edited by rms2; 07-31-2017 at 08:37 PM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    FTDNA's Sizzlin' Summer Sale has been good to our little project. We got three Big Y orders within the first few days, and just a few minutes ago I heard that another member of our group will order it.
    Last edited by rms2; 08-27-2017 at 11:48 AM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Here's a snippet from Alex Williamson's Big Tree showing the latest situation for the R1b-41-1123 cluster.

    R1b-41-1123 Big Tree 12 October 2017.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 10-13-2017 at 01:01 AM.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Here's a snippet from Alex Williamson's Big Tree showing the latest situation for the R1b-41-1123 cluster.

    R1b-41-1123 Big Tree 12 October 2017.jpg
    Have you tried the Big Y chromosome browser and the Terminal SNP Guide under matching? I just wonder if it is making sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Have you tried the Big Y chromosome browser and the Terminal SNP Guide under matching? I just wonder if it is making sense.
    Our results are currently back on hold due to the switch from HG19 to HG38. They have most of us back at BY166 pending resolution of the switch.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Our results are currently back on hold due to the switch from HG19 to HG38. They have most of us back at BY166 pending resolution of the switch.
    Just one of our guys has his new Hg38 stuff. He is one of the two PF5064 guys, but FTDNA does not show that as his terminal SNP, even though they show him derived for it. They show his terminal SNP as FGC36974, which is one step upstream of PF5064.

    The rest of us are still in Hg38 limbo.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36982 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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