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    Quote Originally Posted by Táltos View Post
    So I guess I can infer this Middle Eastern result is ancient? It's bogus still? On 23andme I do get a small percentage of Middle Eastern, and surprisingly almost all of it is from my father's side. Only 0.1 Middle Eastern on that site is attributed to my Mom. Turkey and areas around it are darkest green on my map so I guess I'll get the Anatolian Crossroads. In lighter green I get Morocco, Tunisia, and Algeria.

    Oh I don't know already!
    Tough to say. What I meant, primarily, is the bogus Middle Eastern turning up in Island people simply because they deviated eastwards relative to the Orkneys cluster. Orcadians are quite drifted so it was not a good proxy population for all English, Irish, Scots, etc.
     

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    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    After all the hype and years of waiting, people are going to be so disappointed. Maps and cute names and descriptions aren't going to cover the fact that they haven't really changed anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod View Post
    After all the hype and years of waiting, people are going to be so disappointed. Maps and cute names and descriptions aren't going to cover the fact that they haven't really changed anything.
    I do not like the fact that they mention ancient populations in their component descriptions. As far as I know, there are no tested DNA remains of Hittites, Phrygians, Assyrians, Persians, etc. dating to periods further back than the present. I can see if they were available, then such descriptions would potentially be relevant. Otherwise, it just strikes me as a bit gimmicky, and perhaps misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    Tough to say. What I meant, primarily, is the bogus Middle Eastern turning up in Island people simply because they deviated eastwards relative to the Orkneys cluster. Orcadians are quite drifted so it was not a good proxy population for all English, Irish, Scots, etc.
    Thanks, this is exactly what always made me confused with my PF results in the first place. I never knew if they meant it was pull, or if it was because I have Southern Italian/Albanian ancestry, or if it was because I found out I had some Jewish ancestry through DNA testing.

    I really like how 23andme seems to be able to sort through all of that for me! However I will concede here that FTDNA made a step in the right direction to have a Jewish Diaspora category. And that they can give me a percentage in that! I was always one of their customers that they "harassed" with the "Where in the Middle East does your ancestry come from?" survey.

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    I figured out a way to look at my actual breakdown (which I thought was 99% Jewish Diaspora and 1% European). It is actually 94% Jewish Diaspora, 5% Middle Eastern (Eastern Afroasiatic) and 1% European (European Northlands). Eastern Afroasiatic might be a result of a J2a grandfather and an R2a great-great-grandfather (or just random ancient Middle East remnants).

    I had thought the European piece would have been North Mediterranean, based on autosomal Oracle results. I'm taking a guess European Northlands might be a result of my mtDNA being J1c7a, and there's a known branch of J1c7a that shows up in Finns and some Norwegians, although no Scandinavians show up in my mtDNA matches, only Ashkenazi. I believe there are specific mtDNA mutations differentiating Scandinavian J1c7a and Ashkenazi J1c7a. I will have to go look more closely.

    Still, it's an improvement over my previously meaningless 100% Middle Eastern designation.
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    Time frame associated with Population Finder, etc

    In answer to a question on FTDNA Forums about the time frame of Population Finder ("Is it 100 years, 1000 years, 2000 years?") Doug McDonald, author of Population Finder among other software tools related to analysis of aDNA, had this to say:

    All of these things, whether old Pop finder or new myOrigins, or the other companies and Gedmatch, generate a mishmash of time scales. What happens is that if "recent" works with the list of populations they have, that's what's used. If not, older gets stuffed in, in small amounts. This keeps happening all the way back to Africa.

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    I am very happy with the results of myOrigins for me. I asked Ricardo to look them up for me, and they came out like this:

    88% European (66% North Mediterranean Basin + 22% European Coastal islands)
    6% Middle Eastern (6% North African Coastlands)
    3% African (3% Niger-Congo Genesis)
    3% New World (3% Bering Expansion)

    This is much better than the old population finder results, that gave me 70 % western european, 24,3 % Middle Eastern and 5 % African.
    I am of portuguese origin, and i have even citizenship of Portugal. I am native from Brazil, so the amerindian and african percentages are probably accurate too.

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    Going to ask again if someone could look up the results for me (B7682) and my father (318482). Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre View Post
    I am very happy with the results of myOrigins for me. I asked Ricardo to look them up for me, and they came out like this:

    88% European (66% North Mediterranean Basin + 22% European Coastal islands)
    6% Middle Eastern (6% North African Coastlands)
    3% African (3% Niger-Congo Genesis)
    3% New World (3% Bering Expansion)

    This is much better than the old population finder results, that gave me 70 % western european, 24,3 % Middle Eastern and 5 % African.
    I am of portuguese origin, and i have even citizenship of Portugal. I am native from Brazil, so the amerindian and african percentages are probably accurate too.
    That's typical of a Brazilian of Portuguese origin !

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    92% European (North Mediterranean Basin 68% + Trans-Ural Peneplain 13% + European Coastal Islands 11%)
    3% New World (3% Beringian Expansion)
    3% African (2% Niger-Congo Genesis + 1% East African Pastoralists)
    1% Middle Eastern (North African Coastlands)

    I am mostly of old Portuguese origin in Colonial Brazil and one German Silesian Great-Grandfather to explain the Eastern European Peneplain !

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    I definitely see an improvement over the previous 100% ME (my almost 200 years old paper trail provides Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews on all lines). The MyO provides 87 % - Jewish Diaspora, 7%- ME (Anatolian Crossroads) and 6% European (Trans Ural Peneplain). I wonder if the 7 % is somewhat related to my paternal line PF 7580/L 584 which appears to be some pre diaspora Jewish old clade. Another interesting thing I notice: one can sort the matches which I presented with the corresponding categories. I have several which are 100% European (I cannot see the actual subcategory) and I am wondering if this information may not be a clue about where/which line originated from those.
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