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    When Genographic recently tested in Mayo, they found 88% R1b and 12% I, R1a.
    The Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Enda Kenny, a native of Mayo, results were I.
    Genographic attributed the R1a and I to later migrations eg Bronze Age or Viking.
    I suspect the I results are closer to the Megalithic Period as some of the oldest and largest Megalithic and Neolithic structures, Carrowmore and Ceide Fields are nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heber View Post
    When Genographic recently tested in Mayo, they found 88% R1b and 12% I, R1a.
    The Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Enda Kenny, a native of Mayo, results were I.
    Genographic attributed the R1a and I to later migrations eg Bronze Age or Viking.
    I suspect the I results are closer to the Megalithic Period as some of the oldest and largest Megalithic and Neolithic structures, Carrowmore and Ceide Fields are nearby.

    http://www.pinterest.com/gerardcorcoran/genographic/

    Genographic Mayo.jpg
    I thought Enda Kenny was M222, I seem to remember seeing a map which had I-M253 at high levels in Mayo. Hopefully we get a betetr breakdown soon.
    Jean, are there many new ancient DNA sample results on the horizon?

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    "Prime Minister Enda Kenny’s paternal Geno 2.0 results found a lineage that is found at moderate frequency in northern Europe, including Ireland, Britain and Scandinavia. This particular lineage Haplogroup I, spread from the Balkans during the post-glacial recolonization of Europe at the end of the last Ice Age. The Prime Minister’s maternal haplogroup, H2 is much rarer in Ireland, reaching a maximum of 5-10% in parts of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia. It was originally spread during the post-glacial recolonization of Europe at the end of the last ice age."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    I had 185 new FGC SNPs in my J1b test. R1a-M458 and R1b-L51 will not have a big number of new SNPs because they are not old enough to compare with I and J basal types.
    185 SNPs in an FGC are the same of 60 in Big Y or similar, and even less.

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    I must apparently repost and expand in this thread the important point I cited yesterday in the original thread when I first posted the haplogroup I information:
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    On a finer scale, a modern Russian individual (HGDP00887) was found to share high similarity with the Loschbour individual. Out of 2,790 informative positions in both individuals (9 were not covered by reads in Loschbour), only 5 sites were different, including 3 transversions and 2 transitions. We used another Russian individual (HGDP00894) to show that all five of these five mutations fell on the HGDP00887 branch rather than on the Loschbour branch. These derived mutations may either have occurred on the HGDP00887 branch after divergence from Loschbour, or they might represent errors in HGDP00887.
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    The Loschbour individual was M423+ L178+ L161- L621- , which Ken Nordtvedt says has not been observed in modern Y-DNA. ("I don't believe we have a present day example in our databases which is M423+ L178+ but ancestral for both L621 and L161.") Clearly, then, we need to know more about this HGDP00887 individual.
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    It is quite interesting that the Urnfield Culture, Lichtenstein Cave site produced 12 of 16 (75%) I2a2b. The cave is actually in Lower Saxony. That I know of, no I1 has been confirmed yet in any aDNA samples, just flavors of I2a. One has to wonder if I1 did not cross the North Sea until the Germanic expansions.
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ ZZ48+ FGC10543+, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Asturias, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: Haplogroup J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: Haplogroup T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain

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    There isn't any aDNA from the South Baltic is there?

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    I think I read one thing about I1 crossing both the baltic and north seas with single grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    It is quite interesting that the Urnfield Culture, Lichtenstein Cave site produced 12 of 16 (75%) I2a2b. The cave is actually in Lower Saxony. That I know of, no I1 has been confirmed yet in any aDNA samples, just flavors of I2a. One has to wonder if I1 did not cross the North Sea until the Germanic expansions.
    I1's MRCA is young but not young enough for I1's expansion to be associated with Germanic migrations. Its age and phylogeographical structure fit more with a spread from the western Corded Ware Culture (Battleaxe, Single Grave) and subsequent Nordic Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromatic View Post
    I1's MRCA is young but not young enough for I1's expansion to be associated with Germanic migrations. Its age and phylogeographical structure fit more with a spread from the western Corded Ware Culture (Battleaxe, Single Grave) and subsequent Nordic Bronze Age.

    It doesn't need to be. It could have been bottled up in Scandinavia for thousands of years before finally migrating during the Germanic expansions. Also, it would be difficult to associate it with Corded Ware as ancient DNA samples have been lacking I1 to date. Besides, it is a almost a necessity to have Corded Ware as heavily R1a at this point to explain the spread of R1a.
    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ ZZ48+ FGC10543+, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Asturias, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: Haplogroup J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: Haplogroup T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain

    Avatar: Raetian bronze votive, Fritzens-Sanzeno Culture VI-V c. BC, Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, Italy

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