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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    If this calculator will be on Gedmatch, yes.

    I think you must be Pontian patly, this East-Med is really high considering you are part English.
    Sorry my inbox is full...and I got a little busy with other things so I didn't run any people yet.

    But to answer your question

    These are GujaratiA:
    Code:
    NA20850
    NA20858
    NA20862
    NA20870
    NA20872
    NA20904
    NA20910
    NA21108
    GujaratiB:
    Code:
    NA20864
    NA20881
    NA20882
    NA20885
    NA20886
    NA20890
    NA20891
    NA20900
    GujaratiC:
    Code:
    NA20845
    NA20846
    NA20852
    NA20854
    NA20866
    NA20874
    NA20887
    NA20894
    NA20895
    NA20901
    NA20903
    NA21092
    NA21097
    NA21116
    NA21120
    Gujarati D
    Code:
    NA20897
    NA20905
    NA20906
    NA20908
    NA21095


    Gujarati Patel
    Code:
    NA20847
    NA20849
    NA20851
    NA20853
    NA20856
    NA20859
    NA20861
    NA20863
    NA20867
    NA20868
    NA20869
    NA20875
    NA20876
    NA20877
    NA20878
    NA20884
    NA20888
    NA20889
    NA20892
    NA20896
    NA20899
    NA20902
    NA20911
    NA21086
    NA21087
    NA21088
    NA21089
    NA21090
    NA21091
    NA21093
    NA21094
    NA21098
    NA21099
    NA21100
    NA21101
    NA21102
    NA21103
    NA21104
    NA21105
    NA21106
    NA21107
    NA21109
    NA21110
    NA21111
    NA21112
    NA21113
    NA21114
    NA21115
    NA21117
    NA21118
    NA21119
    NA21122
    NA21123
    NA21124
    NA21125
    NA21126
    NA21127
    NA21128
    NA21129
    NA21130
    NA21133
    NA21135
    NA21137
    NA21141
    NA21142
    NA21143
    NA21144
    I don't know which section the Patels are grouped under -- if they even are grouped, or if they really are Patels, or if they are kept as separate -- I assume they grouped with B or C. There are lots of assumptions, that Gujarati D is low-caste; PJL C/D are Chamars; Gujarati A is high-caste...etc. We don't actually know that. We have an idea with the PJL samples because many samples cluster with other North Indian groups. All we really know is that the samples cluster differently -- we don't definitively know that each group contains people from a similar caste/tribe/whatever. For all we know, the "high-caste" samples could be all be of some particular people that isn't high-caste... or maybe they are all people with histories in Sindh or Kutch? It's not like it's a large sample size.

    The categories in PJL and Gujarati were made by Razib Khan who ran them through ADMIXTURE at some K (I think K6) and noticed they split up based on ANI/ASI. So if you've already run the entire set; you can divide into 4-5 groups based on how they are varying on your own runs too. It might be better to re-evaluate how we divide these sets anyways. Maybe based on Iran N or something like that.

    I believe all relatives were removed. You should look out for that btw, a lot of the South Asian sets have parent-offspring, cousin-uncle/aunt relationships. The Kalash and Punjabi set both have a quite a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Their Slovak seems out of place; maybe it was a Jewish Slovak?
    Yes it was. It is obviously labelled incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    I don't know which section the Patels are grouped under -- if they even are grouped, or if they really are Patels, or if they are kept as separate -- I assume they grouped with B or C. There are lots of assumptions, that Gujarati D is low-caste; PJL C/D are Chamars; Gujarati A is high-caste...etc. We don't actually know that. We have an idea with the PJL samples because many samples cluster with other North Indian groups. All we really know is that the samples cluster differently -- we don't definitively know that each group contains people from a similar caste/tribe/whatever. For all we know, the "high-caste" samples could be all be of some particular people that isn't high-caste... or maybe they are all people with histories in Sindh or Kutch? It's not like it's a large sample size.

    The categories in PJL and Gujarati were made by Razib Khan who ran them through ADMIXTURE at some K (I think K6) and noticed they split up based on ANI/ASI. So if you've already run the entire set; you can divide into 4-5 groups based on how they are varying on your own runs too. It might be better to re-evaluate how we divide these sets anyways. Maybe based on Iran N or something like that.

    I believe all relatives were removed. You should look out for that btw, a lot of the South Asian sets have parent-offspring, cousin-uncle/aunt relationships. The Kalash and Punjabi set both have a quite a few.
    Hey Khana what do you think of a separate Baloch component in K30 like in Harappa so we can split the ANI out of samples Lukasz has used for the South Indian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    But keep in mind that the English and Scots are already partly of Nordic origin, more Danish for the former and Norwegians for the latter. In the different papers 1/3 of Germanic ancestry. The result ( with qpAdm) got by Anglesqueville 2/3 Norwegian for the Orcadians is probably close to the truth.
    Also remember that most western Norwegians have some Scottish ancestry (also some eastern Norwegians), which would impact the results.. One should also keep in mind that Orcadians could also have common English, Danish etc ancestry with Norwegians.. So it is much more complex than to just compare the two modern populations based on one way migrations from the Viking age...
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Also remember that most western Norwegians have some Scottish ancestry (also some eastern Norwegians), which would impact the results.. One should also keep in mind that Orcadians could also have common English, Danish etc ancestry with Norwegians.. So it is much more complex than to just compare the two modern populations...
    And probably a lot of Celtic Slaves in the Norwegian Ancestry. I agree, all these populations are mixed together
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Will the reference population averages or lists be posted for this calculator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylo_Ren View Post
    Will the reference population averages or lists be posted for this calculator?
    Yes, but lukaszM is still refining his calculator and once he is happy with the results he will release the averages ofr populations and samples. This is at least what I understood when he replied to the similar question of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    But keep in mind that the English and Scots are already partly of Nordic origin, more Danish for the former and Norwegians for the latter. In the different papers 1/3 of Germanic ancestry. The result ( with qpAdm) got by Anglesqueville 2/3 Norwegian for the Orcadians is probably close to the truth.
    According to the following report, the people of Orkney are only 25% Norwegian.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...tland-31946436

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    And probably a lot of Celtic Slaves in the Norwegian Ancestry. I agree, all these populations are mixed together
    Not to mention the Bell Beakers:
    - Though the Battle Axe societies were probably expansive, the establishment of Late Neolithic Bell Beaker-related groups created a renewed expansive movement that transformed large parts of a heterogeneous Scandinavia into a Nordic region.
    See:
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    that transformed large parts of a heterogeneous 2candinavia into a Nordic region.
    "Finn, son of Folcwald,
    should honour the Danes.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    And probably a lot of Celtic Slaves in the Norwegian Ancestry. I agree, all these populations are mixed together
    Not so sure about irish/scottish slaves. The case of Norway in the Low Middle-age is not the same as the case of Iceland in the same period, as you can see on the basis of the blood groups. But it's accessory. Much more important now. I'm afraid, reading all these posts, that you all seem to forget that the topic is not the history or the genetical make-up of populations, but the elaboration of an ADMIXTURE calculator. As I told jockingly some days ago, only God involves populations. Lukasz has only to do with samples. Concretely that means: a few dozens of individuals, in the best case, and often only a handful, from diverse banks, some with a high coverage, some with a very poor one. Most often about those individuals we don't really know much, and sometimes nothing: do they have 4 grand parents from the same village/corner/county/country, how were they selected, etc... Did the staff make sure not to select related people? (For example for the orcadian HGDP sample, the answer to this last question is obviously: no). How many difficult problems before the elaboration of such a test really starts? The historians can comfortably, sitting on their books, debate about the world that they are watching from the heights of their Olympus, but the author of the test himself is walking in wetlands.
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