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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    According to the following report, the people of Orkney are only 25% Norwegian.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...tland-31946436
    To be or not to be orcadian and 75% "genetically norwegian"? Honnestly, 3/4 is very likely overestimated. It was a very quick qpAdm run, and frankly I always found it difficult to run qpAdm with modern populations, where the choice of the right pops is particularly sensitive. So let's forget qpAdm, and take something more cumfortable, Generalissimo's North-Euro G10 PCA + nMonte2 ( with individuals, not averages, in order to keep this very concrete).


    Models English+Norwegian


    [1] "distance%=1.1067 / distance=0.011067"
    Orcadian:HGDP00796
    "English:English2" 39.05
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 28.75
    "English:ENG004" 20.25
    "Norwegian:NOR109" 11.95


    [1] "distance%=1.1339 / distance=0.011339"
    Orcadian:HGDP00798
    "English:English3" 22.45
    "English:English2" 21.7
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 19.75
    "English:English4" 17.05
    "English:English6" 12.4
    "English:English5" 6.65

    [1] "distance%=1.5459 / distance=0.015459"
    Orcadian:HGDP00800
    "English:English4" 53.15
    "English:English2" 25
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 21.85


    [1] "distance%=0.9612 / distance=0.009612"
    Orcadian:HGDP00803
    "English:English2" 30.75
    "English:English5" 27.9
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 21.65
    "Norwegian:NOR126" 11.6
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 8.1


    [1] "distance%=0.618 / distance=0.00618"

    Orcadian:HGDP00806
    "Norwegian:NOR126" 40.65
    "English:ENG003" 23.75
    "Norwegian:NOR109" 14.2
    "English:English2" 12.25
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 9.15

    ************************************************** *********************************

    Models Irish+Norwegian


    [1] "distance%=1.3404 / distance=0.013404"
    Orcadian:HGDP00796
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 37.55
    "Irish:Ireland16" 19.8
    "Irish:Ireland22" 14.2
    "Norwegian:NOR109" 12.9
    "Norwegian:NOR107" 8.85

    "Irish:IRL004" 6.7

    [1] "distance%=0.9619 / distance=0.009619"
    Orcadian:HGDP00798
    "Irish:IRL006" 49.4
    "Irish:Ireland6" 21.2
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 13.45
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 5.55
    "Norwegian:NOR109" 5.25

    "Irish:Ireland17" 3.05
    "Irish:Ireland25" 2.1

    [1] "distance%=1.1426 / distance=0.011426"
    Orcadian:HGDP00800
    "Irish:Ireland23" 37.95
    "Irish:Ireland17" 21.65
    "Irish:Ireland5" 19
    "Norwegian:NOR342" 12.9
    "Irish:Ireland6" 4.35
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 2.35
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 1.8


    [1] "distance%=0.8418 / distance=0.008418"
    Orcadian:HGDP00803
    "Norwegian:NOR101" 51.7
    "Irish:Ireland21" 26.45
    "Irish:Ireland4" 16.6
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 3.05
    "Irish:Ireland25" 2.2

    [1] "distance%=0.6228 / distance=0.006228"
    Orcadian:HGDP00806
    "Irish:Ireland8" 26.95
    "Norwegian:NOR126" 24.55
    "Norwegian:NOR534" 20.9
    "Norwegian:NOR109" 15

    "Irish:Ireland21" 5.75
    "Irish:Ireland18" 4.95
    "Irish:Ireland13" 1.9

    As God only can say anything about the orcadian population itself without the help of statistics, we can only talk in a statiscal way, or more precisely we could, if we had a significant sample, which is not the case. Then I don't want to talk about averages or standard deviations. Concretely we see that, according to these 5 individuals, some are very close to the irish cluster, with less than 20% "norwegian", while some others are closer to the norwegian, with 60% "norwegian" or so.

    edit: if Lukasz has removed all the Orcadians from his test, I'm afraid to be quite off topic with this post. Sorry Lukasz, I'll delete this post if you ask me to.
    En North alom, de North venom
    En North fum naiz, en North manom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    I suggest a central med component based on Tuscans.
    Good idea, its a intermediate component Greeks and Albanians tend to score in place of more steppe like shift. Might resolve some of the breakdown.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post

    edit: if Lukasz has removed all the Orcadians from his test, I'm afraid to be quite off topic with this post. Sorry Lukasz, I'll delete this post if you ask me to.
    Why? If I'll delete them from Celtic reference, they would be used in oracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Good idea, its a intermediate component Greeks and Albanians tend to score in place of more steppe like shift. Might resolve some of the breakdown.
    It's not any problem to do it, but I'm afraid to recreate K36 for Europeans in this way. But it will be interesting to see what Albanian would score it there will be both Paleo-Balkan and Central Med. So maybe
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    It's not any problem to do it, but I'm afraid to recreate K36 for Europeans in this way. But it will be interesting to see what Albanian would score it there will be both Paleo-Balkan and Central Med. So maybe
    Whatever you think is the best method. You know far more about this stuff than I do. If you could rerun me my mother and father once you have the new version ready, I would appreciate it! since I never can figure out how to run this stuff on my own. Best.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
    MyOrigins2.0: 100% Southeast European
    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
    GenePlaza: 92.7% East Mediterranean, 5.2% Southwestern European, 1.5% Ambiguous
    DNA.LAND: 95% Balkan, 5% Sardinian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Whatever you think is the best method. You know far more about this stuff than I do. If you could rerun me my mother and father once you have the new version ready, I would appreciate it! since I never can figure out how to run this stuff on my own. Best.
    Yes, we can break up K36 Italian in Albanians into two ancestral components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Not so sure about irish/scottish slaves. The case of Norway in the Low Middle-age is not the same as the case of Iceland in the same period, as you can see on the basis of the blood groups. But it's accessory. Much more important now. I'm afraid, reading all these posts, that you all seem to forget that the topic is not the history or the genetical make-up of populations, but the elaboration of an ADMIXTURE calculator. As I told jockingly some days ago, only God involves populations. Lukasz has only to do with samples. Concretely that means: a few dozens of individuals, in the best case, and often only a handful, from diverse banks, some with a high coverage, some with a very poor one. Most often about those individuals we don't really know much, and sometimes nothing: do they have 4 grand parents from the same village/corner/county/country, how were they selected, etc... Did the staff make sure not to select related people? (For example for the orcadian HGDP sample, the answer to this last question is obviously: no). How many difficult problems before the elaboration of such a test really starts? The historians can comfortably, sitting on their books, debate about the world that they are watching from the heights of their Olympus, but the author of the test himself is walking in wetlands.
    Absolutly right, except the last passage greetings from an historian amidst the wetlands....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Yes, we can break up K36 Italian in Albanians into two ancestral components.
    Cool, let me know if you can run our results when its ready. Best.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
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    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Absolutly right, except the last passage greetings from an historian amidst the wetlands....
    Haha, I enjoy teasing you Btw Camu told me yesterday evening that I had "alienated all the irish, scotts, dutch and norwegians of the forum", with my "methodologic obsessions". I hope he is wrong! I don't like to put my familial stories on the table, but, shortly said, I'm closely related to the Isles by my maternal line, and to the Netherlands by my paternal one, the least I can say is that I cannot have any agenda in a "celtic"/"germanic" debate. And the history is still being written today: I have just received a message from one of my sons, who had just landed in Edimburgh, and his words are "So nice to be back home" ( his girlfriend is scottish, from a family friend of mine since the mesolithic). I shall stop there with those indecently personnal considerations ... no agenda, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Cool results. So this Askhenazi is for sure Sephardi. But they don't have in the their base such component?
    Which groups are "Volgan"?

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