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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    I think Huijbregts was using the wrong co-ordinates for his dad by mistake (could be on my end though, but I double checked Dewsloth's post)
    I have used:
    PC1 PC2 PC3 PC4
    Dewsloth:dad 0.02360000 0.0011000000 -0.011900000 0.0045000000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    I have used:
    PC1 PC2 PC3 PC4
    Dewsloth:dad 0.02360000 0.0011000000 -0.011900000 0.0045000000
    same co-ordinates I used. Did you modify the parameters or anything?
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Thanks for the link. I don't pull much affinity with Wales, Ireland, or mainland Scotland, something which has been the case with all tests I have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB6 View Post
    Thanks for the link. I don't pull much affinity with Wales, Ireland, or mainland Scotland, something which has been the case with all tests I have had.
    I'd love to see your results from Lucas's test http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ations/page259
    Have you done this one?
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    I'd love to see your results from Lucas's test http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ations/page259
    Have you done this one?

    No, I've not done that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Just asking, isn't it possible to fuse west with a part of northwest to central west Europe and a part of northwest with sweden to northwest europe?
    My K36 indicates that possibility...but i don't know is this is a overall coherent possibility.
    I did not invent these clusters, they were calculated by the clustering program Mclust. If Davidski adds a lot of new samples, the clusters will change (probably not much).
    I have better news about Sweden. About half of the Swedish samples are already in NW cluster 4. The other half of Swedish constitutes the cluster 6, together with a few Finnish.
    The K36 dataset is not about N-Europe but about the whole world. The cluster structure is different by definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    I did not invent these clusters, they were calculated by the clustering program Mclust. If Davidski adds a lot of new samples, the clusters will change (probably not much).
    I have better news about Sweden. About half of the Swedish samples are already in NW cluster 4. The other half of Swedish constitutes the cluster 6, together with a few Finnish.
    The K36 dataset is not about N-Europe but about the whole world. The cluster structure is different by definition.
    I would love to see a smaller K36 with only Northern European populations, to see how it would it would be different or similar to this one
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    The funny thing is most of my ancestors who resided in Aschaffenburg are along the Ashkenazi/Belgian line of our family. But could be the Merz/Molitor (or PA Dutch) line?

    This was my 4th great grandfather (you may have to click the "translate" button if you don't speak German):
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Dessauer

    3rd GG was Franz Johann (his wife was Bertha Alberta Katharina Theresia Molitor
     
    was born on April 5, 1810, in Aufenau, Hesse, Germany, to Lisette Elizabeth Franziska Katharina Merz [somewhere in Bavaria, mother's surname was Neeb], age 23, and Dr. Cosmas Damian Hatardus Molitor [b. Mainz], age 24.


    2nd GG was Philipp https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Dessauer married to Elisabeth Maria Karoline Vossen
     
    (born May 6, 1843 Aachen, † March 30, 1920 Aschaffenburg), daughter of the paint manufacturer Franz Daniel Vossen (1807-1899) from Liege and the Cöelestine Maria Theresa Louise Vinckenbosch (1820-1896) from Tirlemont

    Dad and I are descended from one of Philipp's daughters who married a doctor whose family was all from the area around Niedergladbach/Bad Schwalbach for generations.

    My "PA Dutch" ancestor probably from near-to-Aschaffenburg Steinmark is Johann A. Fertig (d. 1814 PA), married Anna Bauer b. ~1745, I don't have anything else earlier on him, though, and don't know where his wife was from.
    I didn't see common surnames. My father does match a very large list of full and partial Ashkenazi on Gedmatch on a region of Chromosome 12. It is one of the possibilities for his excess Asian/East African sub-segments. At any rate, my family is associated with the village of Schweinheim, which is now part of Aschaffenburg. They weren't so famous, but my ancestors of the same surname started this business and sold it to other ancestors of mine whose surname is now on the business:

    http://schwindbraeu.de/

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    I didn't see common surnames. My father does match a very large list of full and partial Ashkenazi on Gedmatch on a region of Chromosome 12. It is one of the possibilities for his excess Asian/East African sub-segments. At any rate, my family is associated with the village of Schweinheim, which is now part of Aschaffenburg. They weren't so famous, but my ancestors of the same surname started this business and sold it to other ancestors of mine whose surname is now on the business:

    http://schwindbraeu.de/
    Nice!!
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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    Got my parents results in.

    Dad:
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    STdad:ID001 0.0253 0.0103 -0.0054 -0.0009 0.0079 0.0045 0.0017 0.0009 0.0016 0.0038

    Mom:
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    STmom:ID001 0.0113 -0.0112 0.0037 0.0016 -0.0037 0.001 0.0048 -0.0014 -0.0056 -0.0034

    Apparently a Celt and a Slav can produce a Dutch-like individual. Thought it was interesting.

    Davidski noted that it was strange the location for myself wasn't further down towards the Slavic group on the graph, as my mom's average appears quite Eastern.. This also lends some evidence to my theory that her Eastern German ancestors weren't really that German.. (They spoke Polish as their main language, after all)

    Huijbregt's 8 Cluster for them:

    Mom:

    smom

    clust2 74.9
    clust4 25.1

    Super German / Central on this one, is Cluster 2 a bit more Eastern Shifted than truly central I wonder?

    Dad:

    sdad

    clust4 49.0
    clust1 47.0
    clust7 4.1

    No surprises there. Cluster 7 will be the Amerindian connection in his case, he's about 3.9% Native American on paper.
    Last edited by sktibo; 11-15-2017 at 01:33 AM.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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