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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Simply put the English are watered down Celts, they are Germanic in culture and language, but this doesn't seem to be the case genetically.
    Do you think for Kent or East-Anglia it's also the case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Simply put the English are watered down Celts, they are Germanic in culture and language, but this doesn't seem to be the case genetically.
    I wonder then about my clustering closest to Anglo Saxon England and Norwegian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    I wonder then about my clustering closest to Anglo Saxon England and Norwegian.
    This is just one test, you almost always show as overwhelmingly Celtic in other ones.
    Last edited by sktibo; 11-05-2017 at 09:18 PM.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Do you think for Kent or East-Anglia it's also the case?
    Yes: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408

    "the East England samples are consistent with 38% Anglo-Saxon ancestry on average, with a large spread from 25 to 50%, and the Welsh and Scottish samples are consistent with 30% Anglo-Saxon ancestry on average, again with a large spread (Supplementary Table 4). These numbers are lower on average if we exclude the low-coverage individual HS3 from the Anglo-Saxon group (35% for East English samples). A similar result is obtained when we analyse modern British samples from the 1,000 Genomes Project, which exhibit a strong substructure (Supplementary Note 4, Supplementary Fig. 4). We find that samples from Kent show a similar Anglo-Saxon component of 37% when compared against Finnish and Spanish outgroups, with a lower value for samples from Cornwall (Supplementary Fig. 5a, Supplementary Table 4)."

    That's one study on it.

    When the Anglo-Saxons and other Germanics came they did not push the Britons out, those people were probably numerous and they didn't vanish entirely - looks like the populations blended together.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Yes: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408

    "the East England samples are consistent with 38% Anglo-Saxon ancestry on average, with a large spread from 25 to 50%, and the Welsh and Scottish samples are consistent with 30% Anglo-Saxon ancestry on average, again with a large spread (Supplementary Table 4). These numbers are lower on average if we exclude the low-coverage individual HS3 from the Anglo-Saxon group (35% for East English samples). A similar result is obtained when we analyse modern British samples from the 1,000 Genomes Project, which exhibit a strong substructure (Supplementary Note 4, Supplementary Fig. 4). We find that samples from Kent show a similar Anglo-Saxon component of 37% when compared against Finnish and Spanish outgroups, with a lower value for samples from Cornwall (Supplementary Fig. 5a, Supplementary Table 4)."

    That's one study on it.

    When the Anglo-Saxons and other Germanics came they did not push the Britons out, those people were probably numerous and they didn't vanish entirely - looks like the populations blended together.
    Remember I read many years ago paper which stated Anglo-Saxons made "Apartheid state" where Brito-Romans weren't allowed to mix with them. But it was based on haplogroups probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Remember I read many years ago paper which stated Anglo-Saxons made "Apartheid state" where Brito-Romans weren't allowed to mix with them. But it was based on haplogroups probably.
    The thing you have to remember is that most of the British Celts who were exterminated by the Anglo-Saxon invaders would have been male. Female Celts of childbearing years would likely have been kept as breeding stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    I cluster with Norwegian and England Anglo Saxon?
    First and foremost, pay attention to the PCA based on the first two dimensions, and here you cluster very close to the Celtic cluster, between the ancient Anglo-Saxons and ancient Celts. This is a typical English result.

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    Got mine in, and I think it looks quite good - has me as quite close to the French cluster, it is always interesting to see which tests can indicate French ancestry in my case

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    sktibo 0.0232 0.0033 -0.0036 0.0072 0.0012 0.007 0.0056 0.0008 -0.0017 0.0055

    BTW folks, it looks like under the "Germanic" category on this one we have samples from
    Sweden, Scotland, Orkey, Norway, Iceland, Germany, England, Netherlands, and Austria
    Samples from these are labelled as "Darkcyan" in the datasheet and on the chart they fall under the "Germanic" category
    Last edited by sktibo; 11-05-2017 at 11:26 PM.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticGerman View Post
    A Dane with Danish and German ancestry Attachment 19556
    Sorry to be so uninformed about your PCA plots, but they all look similar. Where is the Dane in this one? They all have a red oval which at first I thought was the person mentioned i.e the Dane in this case. But I guess not. Thank you..
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    My coordinates are 0.0247 -0.0005 -0.0036 -0.005 -0.0027 -0.0018 -0.0025 -0.0015 -0.0015 -0.0087

    If possible please include me in the heat map/dendogram. Thanks in advance!

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