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    Huijbregts, can you add me?

    0.0195 0.0048 -0.0001 0 -0.0021 -0.003 -0.0022 -0.0009 0.0012 -0.004

    Here is my map, I cluster with Swedes and Dutch according to Paste 3.

    North_Europe_genetic-linguistic_landscape (1).png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radboud View Post
    Huijbregts, can you add me?
    Here is my map, I cluster with Swedes and Dutch according to Paste 3.
    Hi Radboud
    Here is your heatmap.
    heatmap_Radboud.jpg
    In my dendrogram you cluster with English and Dutch, which seems more plausible than Swedes and Dutch.
    The difference may be caused by the fact that I have used the clustering method 'Ward(2)'. I don't know what method Past 3 has used.
    The importance of the heatmap is that it suggests to use only 4 dimensions instead of 10. So I suggest that you redo the dendrogram with 4 dimensions and the method 'Ward'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    For a description of this PCA/calculator see:
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2017/10...ore-to-be.html
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2017/10...re-across.html

    I prepared a heatmap of the 10 coordinates of the averaged scores.
    Y-axis: labels ordered by dendrogram
    X-axis: coordinates ordered by dendrogram.
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    Nearly all of the variance is found on PC1-PC4.
    Note that the dendrogram of the coordinates can be rotated so as to make PC4 adjacent to PC3.

    The coordinates of my sample are:
    0.0282,0.0048,-0.0002,-0.0005,0.0075,-0.0046,0.0023,-0.0017,-0.0014,0.0054
    Very interesting, thank you. It seems that Baltic Finns such as Vepsians and Karelians cluster not only with Komi, but also with ancients such as Scythian Samara quite nicely? Would you agree?

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    0.021 0.0119 0.0047 -0.0065 0.0002 -0.0047 -0.0014 0.0027 -0.0002 0.0078

    Can you place me on the heatmap ?

    Also can someone model me with nMonte? I'm not sure how to do it with coordinates.
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    My coordinates for the heatmap: 0.0163 0 0.0026 -0.0008 -0.0031 -0.002 -0.0026 0.0012 0.0039 0.0033
    Last edited by CelticGerman; 11-05-2017 at 01:50 PM.
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333/CTS7958, from Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H
    EUROGENES K13: North German 3.7, North Dutch 4.85, Danish 5.13, Swedish 5.44, Norwegian 5.7 -- West Eurasia K8: WHG 46.64%, ENF 39.09%, ANE 14.23%
    23andMe: speculative 26% French&German, 11.3% Scandinavian, 9.1% Eastern European, 8.8% British&Irish, 1.6% Southern European, 38% Broadly North Euro
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss

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    Further coordinates for the heatmap if possible:

    Eva (Bavaria, Saxony-Anhalt, North Germany, Sweden): 0.0245 0.0036 -0.0014 0.002 -0.002 0.0028 -0.0042 -0.0006 0.006 0.0018

    Günther (Danish, North German): 0.013 0.0018 -0.0014 -0.0047 0.0051 -0.0082 0.005 -0.0019 -0.0001 0.0065

    Manfred (my paternal uncle, North German, some Palatinate, Thuringia, Brandenburg): 0.0171 0.0027 -0.0029 -0.0114 -0.0006 -0.0019 -0.0033 0.0005 0.0062 -0.0004


    Klaus (my maternal uncle, North German, some Danish and Czech): 0.0145 0.0037 0.0028 -0.0021 0.004 -0.0002 0.0008 0.0038 0.0082 -0.0072

    Jean (French: Burgundy, Rhône-Alpes): 0.0321 -0.0007 -0.0122 0.0036 -0.0017 0.0005 -0.0035 -0.0027 0.0051 -0.0012

    Nadine (French, Jean's daughter: Burgundy, Rhône-Alpes, Sarthe, Lorraine, Alsace, Geneva): 0.0286 -0.0032 -0.0107 0.0019 0.0034 0.0006 -0.0044 -0.0009 0.0084 0.0019
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333/CTS7958, from Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H
    EUROGENES K13: North German 3.7, North Dutch 4.85, Danish 5.13, Swedish 5.44, Norwegian 5.7 -- West Eurasia K8: WHG 46.64%, ENF 39.09%, ANE 14.23%
    23andMe: speculative 26% French&German, 11.3% Scandinavian, 9.1% Eastern European, 8.8% British&Irish, 1.6% Southern European, 38% Broadly North Euro
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss

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    Some updates.
    I have undone the averaging of Slav_Bohemia, because RISE568 and RISE569 are very different.
    As a consequence, RISE568 is now the only sample with a substantial presence on PC5. Although this may turn to be just noise, for now I prefer to retain it.
    Also I have limited the dendrogram to the dimensions PC1-PC5.
    Finally I have added the samples of firemonkey and CelticGerman.

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    I cluster with Norwegian and England Anglo Saxon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    I cluster with Norwegian and England Anglo Saxon?
    With this specific clustering you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    I am not sure if I am reading your map correctly but it seems to indicate that the modern English are more closely related to the "English" of the Roman and Iron Age periods than they are to the Anglo-Saxon English. If this is an incorrect interpretation, I apologize.
    Simply put the English are watered down Celts, they are Germanic in culture and language, but this doesn't seem to be the case genetically.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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