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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    I found South American match for me 13.5 centimorgans and not appear to be Ashkenazi see her low East Med.

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    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.5% South_Polish + 12.5% Yoruban @ 3.61
    2 86.9% South_Polish + 13.1% Mandenka @ 3.79
    3 86.6% South_Polish + 13.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.12
    4 86.5% South_Polish + 13.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.28
    5 87% Polish + 13% Yoruban @ 4.3
    6 86.3% Polish + 13.7% Mandenka @ 4.37
    7 87.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.1% Yoruban @ 4.37
    8 87.4% Ukrainian + 12.6% Yoruban @ 4.49
    9 87.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.7% Mandenka @ 4.6
    10 86.8% Ukrainian + 13.2% Mandenka @ 4.63
    11 86% Polish + 14% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.67
    12 85.9% Polish + 14.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.8
    13 87% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.87
    14 86.5% Ukrainian + 13.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.93
    15 86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.98
    16 86.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.01
    17 86.4% Ukrainian + 13.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.06
    18 85.5% Polish + 14.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.45
    19 85.8% South_Polish + 14.2% Luhya @ 5.64
    20 86.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.64

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 36.17
    2 North_Atlantic 27.80
    3 Sub-Saharan 12.05
    4 West_Med 10.89
    5 West_Asian 5.99
    6 East_Med 2.41
    7 South_Asian 1.52
    8 Amerindian 1.49
    Probably Polish or Ukrainian Brazilian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
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    I'm saying there is possibility it came from somewhere in your data the AJ. Could be your mother Jewish side had mixing, or father had mixing with AJ, or maybe your thread is right and was via your Slavic.

    AJ moved in history so you have to consider as mixed person you have to look from all possible angles to see where this admixture was incorporated into gene pool.
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-13-2017 at 10:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Probably Polish or Ukrainian Brazilian?
    Here is kit I match 13.5 centimorgans

    Kit Num: A630251

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 36.17
    2 North_Atlantic 27.80
    3 Sub-Saharan 12.05
    4 West_Med 10.89
    5 West_Asian 5.99
    6 East_Med 2.41
    7 South_Asian 1.52
    8 Amerindian 1.49


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.777279
    2 South_Polish @ 14.155103
    3 Croatian @ 14.506029
    4 Ukrainian @ 14.586071
    5 Polish @ 15.400509
    6 Moldavian @ 15.913994
    7 Hungarian @ 16.113636
    8 East_German @ 16.765945
    9 Southwest_Russian @ 17.106441
    10 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.137041
    11 Russian_Smolensk @ 17.526848
    12 Estonian_Polish @ 18.020037
    13 Austrian @ 18.095316
    14 Belorussian @ 18.626801
    15 Kargopol_Russian @ 18.760836
    16 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.188469
    17 Finnish @ 20.315685
    18 Estonian @ 20.535124
    19 Serbian @ 21.033670
    20 North_Swedish @ 21.356714

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Moldavian +50% Polish @ 13.383674


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lithuanian +25% Luhya +25% Southeast_English @ 10.839199


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southeast_English @ 10.696011
    2 Bantu_N.E. + East_German + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 10.712492
    3 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_Dutch @ 10.730487
    4 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 10.735724
    5 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Russian_Smolensk @ 10.739303
    6 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_English @ 10.744868
    7 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Orcadian @ 10.746585
    8 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 10.747581
    9 Austrian + Bantu_N.E. + Estonian + Lithuanian @ 10.772561
    10 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + North_German @ 10.794574
    11 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + South_Dutch @ 10.795912
    12 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Swedish @ 10.808990
    13 Bantu_N.E. + Danish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 10.813025
    14 Bantu_N.E. + East_German + Estonian + Russian_Smolensk @ 10.817278
    15 Bantu_N.E. + East_German + Estonian + Estonian @ 10.821751
    16 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + West_Scottish @ 10.822821
    17 Bantu_N.E. + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Norwegian @ 10.824296
    18 Bantu_N.E. + Lithuanian + North_Dutch + Russian_Smolensk @ 10.828235
    19 Bantu_N.E. + East_German + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 10.830960
    20 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Luhya + Southeast_English @ 10.839199

    Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Probably Polish or Ukrainian Brazilian?
    I assume is Slavic Brazilian, what else is possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    I'm saying there is possibility it came from somewhere in your data the AJ. Could be your mother Jewish side had mixing, or father had mixing with AJ, or maybe your thread is right and was via your Slavic.

    AJ moved in history so you have to consider as mixed person you have to look from all possible angles to see where this admixture was incorporated into gene pool.
    Ok, so I misinterpret what you said after all. My mistake
    I understand now... Possibly. But there is no Jewish ancestry on his side. My gr.grandmothers maiden name was ROOS (eng: Rose) and my gr.grandfathers name was VOGEL. Very Jewish lastnames, but they were christians. If it's not likely to be from my fathers single east-eu ancestor, then I don't know where it's from
    Dutch Northener / Afro-Surinamese / Imazighen Jew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    Ok, so I misinterpret what you said after all. My mistake
    I understand now... Possibly. But there is no Jewish ancestry on his side. My gr.grandmothers maiden name was ROOS (eng: Rose) and my gr.grandfathers name was VOGEL. Very Jewish lastnames, but they were christians. If it's not likely to be from my fathers single east-eu ancestor, then I don't know where it's from
    Vogel maybe German or old Austro-Hungarian I have heard that surname

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    Vogel maybe German or old Austro-Hungarian I have heard that surname
    Coule be. Maybe the AJ matches are a mixture of the hungarian and polish ancestors that contributed DNA in some Jewish lines. I don't know. On the other hand; I've done one to many comparisons with kits from some Dutch people I know, non of them have Jewish matches. So I assume it's not like the average Dutch person has Jewish matches, let alone Jewish ancestry. I guess I will just have to test my paternal grandparents to be sure
    Last edited by Sergi; 10-13-2017 at 12:32 PM.
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    The surname "Vogel" is common in Saxony and imo overwhelmingly non-Jewish.
    http://wiki-commons.genealogy.net/im...23b5c25_de.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nive1526 View Post
    The surname "Vogel" is common in Saxony and imo overwhelmingly non-Jewish.
    http://wiki-commons.genealogy.net/im...23b5c25_de.png
    We got that tackled then
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    I would say you can never conclude something about your own ethnicity looking at ethnicity of your matches. I have supposedly cousins who are over 90% English and overly 90% Scandinavian while I consequently score 0% for these categories in DNA tests.

    I'm supposedly 1.4% Ashkenazi, according to MyHeritage. Honestly, I'm taking it less and less seriously, especially while other tests show 0%.

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