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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    That I undertand. I have more then 100 AJ matches.
    You have a lots AJ match. I am Slav with much less still counting list AJ maybe 10-15 matches I have found with Stein, Katz, etc surname and when I run they match list is showing mostly Ashkenazi surnames.

    Your AJ genetics is probably west euro straight up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    You have a lots AJ match. I am Slav with much less still counting list AJ maybe 10-15 matches I have found with Stein, Katz, etc surname and when I run they match list is showing mostly Ashkenazi surnames.

    Your AJ genetics is probably west euro straight up.
    What makes you conclude that? It is misleading shorthand to make a statement like that without further info. My mother has tons of AJ matches and some sephardi matches and she's from south america with sephardic jewish ancestry. It wouldn't make sense for her to have East-Euro ancestry. Sephardic and Ashkenazi overlap. I just happen to notice some of my matches aren't in my mothers list
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    What makes you conclude that? It is misleading shorthand to make a statement like that without further info. My mother has tons of AJ matches and some sephardi matches and she's from south america with sephardic jewish ancestry. It wouldn't make sense for her to have East-Euro ancestry. Sephardic and Ashkenazi overlap. I just happen to notice some of my matches aren't in my mothers list
    Ok so you conclude your AJ matches they are from one Slavic ancestor I see, why? Cause AJ lived in my country everyone is AJ or something or sharing same segments? They live in your country even longer time than Poland so not misleading...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    What makes you conclude that? It is misleading shorthand to make a statement like that without further info. My mother has tons of AJ matches and some sephardi matches and she's from south america with sephardic jewish ancestry. It wouldn't make sense for her to have East-Euro ancestry. Sephardic and Ashkenazi overlap. I just happen to notice some of my matches aren't in my mothers list
    I found South American match for me 13.5 centimorgans and not appear to be Ashkenazi see her low East Med.

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    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.5% South_Polish + 12.5% Yoruban @ 3.61
    2 86.9% South_Polish + 13.1% Mandenka @ 3.79
    3 86.6% South_Polish + 13.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.12
    4 86.5% South_Polish + 13.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.28
    5 87% Polish + 13% Yoruban @ 4.3
    6 86.3% Polish + 13.7% Mandenka @ 4.37
    7 87.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.1% Yoruban @ 4.37
    8 87.4% Ukrainian + 12.6% Yoruban @ 4.49
    9 87.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.7% Mandenka @ 4.6
    10 86.8% Ukrainian + 13.2% Mandenka @ 4.63
    11 86% Polish + 14% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.67
    12 85.9% Polish + 14.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.8
    13 87% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.87
    14 86.5% Ukrainian + 13.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.93
    15 86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.98
    16 86.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.01
    17 86.4% Ukrainian + 13.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.06
    18 85.5% Polish + 14.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.45
    19 85.8% South_Polish + 14.2% Luhya @ 5.64
    20 86.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.64

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 36.17
    2 North_Atlantic 27.80
    3 Sub-Saharan 12.05
    4 West_Med 10.89
    5 West_Asian 5.99
    6 East_Med 2.41
    7 South_Asian 1.52
    8 Amerindian 1.49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    I found South American match for me 13.5 centimorgans and not appear to be Ashkenazi see her low East Med.

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    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.5% South_Polish + 12.5% Yoruban @ 3.61
    2 86.9% South_Polish + 13.1% Mandenka @ 3.79
    3 86.6% South_Polish + 13.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.12
    4 86.5% South_Polish + 13.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.28
    5 87% Polish + 13% Yoruban @ 4.3
    6 86.3% Polish + 13.7% Mandenka @ 4.37
    7 87.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.1% Yoruban @ 4.37
    8 87.4% Ukrainian + 12.6% Yoruban @ 4.49
    9 87.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 12.7% Mandenka @ 4.6
    10 86.8% Ukrainian + 13.2% Mandenka @ 4.63
    11 86% Polish + 14% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.67
    12 85.9% Polish + 14.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.8
    13 87% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.87
    14 86.5% Ukrainian + 13.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.93
    15 86.2% South_Polish + 13.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.98
    16 86.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.1% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.01
    17 86.4% Ukrainian + 13.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.06
    18 85.5% Polish + 14.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.45
    19 85.8% South_Polish + 14.2% Luhya @ 5.64
    20 86.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.64

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 36.17
    2 North_Atlantic 27.80
    3 Sub-Saharan 12.05
    4 West_Med 10.89
    5 West_Asian 5.99
    6 East_Med 2.41
    7 South_Asian 1.52
    8 Amerindian 1.49
    Ok, then my family is lying and my mother has no Jewish ancestry
    Or I'm just not following correctly... Your sentence structure is a littlebit off at times so I could possibly misinterpret you
    Last edited by Sergi; 10-13-2017 at 09:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    Ok, then my family is lying and my mother has no Jewish ancestry. Whatever you say man
    I not said anything of your data. I get nothing if you Jewish or you not Jewish. The world will keep moving.

    Ok, am providing some facts of my people you are only emotionally invested looking for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    I not said anything of your data. I get nothing if you Jewish or you not Jewish. The world will keep moving.

    Ok, am providing some facts of my people you are only emotionally invested looking for debate.
    You are a man of conclusions hu
    I just think Im not getting what you're really saying. I still don't
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    BTW one case of a south american person with east-european genetics is not proof of anything. You have to at least test hundreds of south-americans to be able to label it as proof. There are tons of imaginable scenario's where a south-american and eastern-european possibly have made children.

    But I just think I misinterpret you... Lets leave it at that and continue the thread.

    So you're saying that in your op. the ashkenazi matches are not via my fathers east-european ancestor due to the amount compared to the fact there is only one polish ancestor?
    Last edited by Sergi; 10-13-2017 at 09:56 AM.
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    BTW one case of a south american person with east-european genetics is not proof of anything. Again, jumping to conclusions seems to be your thing
    That person scores are interesting, but no conclusion can be made just interesting to read numbers you know.

    I have many matches with that combination of ancestral breakdown...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergi View Post
    BTW one case of a south american person with east-european genetics is not proof of anything. You have to at least test hundreds of south-americans to be able to label it as proof. There are tons of imaginable scenario's where a south-american and eastern-european possibly have made children.

    But I just think I misinterpret you... Lets leave it at that and continue the thread.

    So you're saying that in your op. the ashkenazi matches are not via my fathers east-european ancestor due to the amount compared to the fact there is only one polish ancestor?
    .....
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