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    How many centimorgans is needed for official match?

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    7.6 cM is a low threshold, the probability of a false positive is greater than 50%. Try instead to concentrate on matches with at least 9-10 cM for a good possibility of success.

    By "clustering" I mean look for an area of your genome where you have multiple matches to people with Jewish surnames, and it should be painted Mediterranean or West Asian or similar on the Gedmatch chromosome analysis tools.

    Also, assuming you have not tested with LivingDNA for example, but rather Family Tree DNA, 23andme, or Ancestry, then you will have an actual match list of people with surnames.
     

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    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    7.6 cM is a low threshold, the probability of a false positive is greater than 50%. Try instead to concentrate on matches with at least 9-10 cM for a good possibility of success.

    By "clustering" I mean look for an area of your genome where you have multiple matches to people with Jewish surnames, and it should be painted Mediterranean or West Asian or similar on the Gedmatch chromosome analysis tools.

    Also, assuming you have not tested with LivingDNA for example, but rather Family Tree DNA, 23andme, or Ancestry, then you will have an actual match list of people with surnames.
    Ok, so I have been looking for some time now now and have found such chromosomes where I am consistently showing this southern admixture. So I look on chromosome painting or what app is best to utilize here.

    I am also looking surnames on Gedmatch.

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    Does anything over 10 guarantee a match what about 15 or 20 centimorgans?

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    Match 1 bump
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-13-2017 at 04:50 AM.

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    Yes, chromosome painting should be perfect. 10 cM is not a guarantee, but has ~85% probability. Anything above 12 cM is almost 100%.
     

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    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyjohnson88 View Post
    Match 1- 10.6 Centimorgans

    What is this persons ancestry?


    1 Ukrainian_Lviv 4.28
    2 Ukrainian 4.76
    3 South_Polish 4.9
    4 Croatian 4.94
    5 Polish 7.46
    6 Moldavian 8.28
    7 Hungarian 8.74
    8 Southwest_Russian 9.18
    9 Russian_Smolensk 9.96
    10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.06
    11 Estonian_Polish 10.15
    12 East_German 10.59
    13 Belorussian 10.92
    14 Austrian 12.01
    15 Kargopol_Russian 12.79
    16 Southwest_Finnish 13.35
    17 Serbian 13.86
    18 Estonian 14.12
    19 Finnish 14.87
    20 Lithuanian 15.14

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77% Southwest_Russian + 23% Southwest_French @ 1.93
    2 87.7% Ukrainian + 12.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.01
    3 87.1% Ukrainian + 12.9% Portuguese @ 2.03
    4 74.4% Estonian_Polish + 25.6% North_Italian @ 2.03
    5 87% Ukrainian + 13% North_Italian @ 2.04
    6 87% Ukrainian + 13% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.08
    7 88% Ukrainian + 12% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.08
    8 88% Ukrainian + 12% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.11
    9 88.5% Ukrainian + 11.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.11
    10 77.6% Southwest_Russian + 22.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.14
    11 87.6% Ukrainian + 12.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.14
    12 88.3% Ukrainian + 11.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.15
    13 92.2% Ukrainian + 7.8% Sardinian @ 2.21
    14 89.1% Ukrainian + 10.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.22
    15 88% Ukrainian + 12% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.23
    16 87.5% Ukrainian + 12.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.28
    17 88.3% Ukrainian + 11.7% Tuscan @ 2.28
    18 87.8% Ukrainian + 12.2% Southwest_French @ 2.3
    19 65.8% Lithuanian + 34.2% North_Italian @ 2.3
    20 79.4% Southwest_Russian + 20.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.3
    There is a strong likelihood mostly Ukrainian but you need to start using 4 oracles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixed View Post
    There is a strong likelihood mostly Ukrainian but you need to start using 4 oracles.
    Yes this is what I assume also, Ukrainian. This person has strong Iberian pull scoring 14.44% West Med with Eurogenes K13.

    I will post more of my matches and will post 4 oracles.

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    Match 2 highest match I have 50.6 centimorgans or fourth cousin with Ancestry.com. This person parents is (Ukrainian) I have contacted them previously.

    Eurogenes K13

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian 4.45
    2 Ukrainian_Lviv 4.85
    3 South_Polish 5.76
    4 Croatian 6.67
    5 Southwest_Russian 6.96
    6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.71
    7 Polish 7.84
    8 Russian_Smolensk 8.8
    9 Estonian_Polish 8.96
    10 Moldavian 9.07
    11 Belorussian 9.69
    12 Hungarian 11.45
    13 Kargopol_Russian 11.95
    14 Erzya 13.6
    15 Lithuanian 13.9
    16 East_German 14.21
    17 Estonian 14.22
    18 Serbian 15.14
    19 Finnish 15.33
    20 Southwest_Finnish 15.36

    1 89% Southwest_Russian + 11% Sardinian @ 2.69
    2 70.1% Estonian_Polish + 29.9% Bulgarian @ 2.7
    3 59.5% Lithuanian + 40.5% Bulgarian @ 2.71
    4 94.1% Ukrainian + 5.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.8
    5 94.2% Ukrainian + 5.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.81
    6 94.2% Ukrainian + 5.8% Samaritan @ 2.84
    7 91.7% Ukrainian + 8.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.87
    8 93.7% Ukrainian + 6.3% Cyprian @ 2.88
    9 67.9% Lithuanian + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91
    10 93.1% Ukrainian + 6.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.96
    11 93.1% Ukrainian + 6.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.97
    12 77.3% Estonian_Polish + 22.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.97
    13 95% Ukrainian + 5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.99
    14 93.6% Ukrainian + 6.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.99
    15 94.3% Ukrainian + 5.7% Palestinian @ 3
    16 93.7% Ukrainian + 6.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.03
    17 81% Estonian_Polish + 19% Central_Greek @ 3.05
    18 94.1% Ukrainian + 5.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.06
    19 94.3% Ukrainian + 5.7% Jordanian @ 3.06
    20 68.5% Belorussian + 31.5% Bulgarian @ 3.07

    1 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian @ 2.643295
    2 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian @ 2.730929
    3 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 2.760600
    4 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.818158
    5 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 2.834151
    6 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.856890
    7 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.871205
    8 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.906416
    9 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 2.919237
    10 Belorussian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Ukrainian @ 2.919854
    11 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian @ 2.925786
    12 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 2.931917
    13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 2.945902
    14 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.954382
    15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian @ 3.009071
    16 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 3.019709
    17 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.028586
    18 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian @ 3.054559
    19 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 3.073709
    20 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.080893
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-13-2017 at 07:57 AM.

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    Match 3 second highest match 45.3 centimorgans I have contacted this person in past and they parents are (Ukrainian) from same village as my maternal grandmother and we are also fourth cousins on Ancestry.com.

    Eurogenes K13

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian 5.48
    2 Estonian_Polish 5.82
    3 Southwest_Russian 6.19
    4 Russian_Smolensk 6.4
    5 Polish 6.65
    6 Belorussian 6.96
    7 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.14
    8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.27
    9 South_Polish 7.77
    10 Lithuanian 9.75
    11 Kargopol_Russian 10.29
    12 Estonian 11.26
    13 Croatian 11.64
    14 Erzya 11.99
    15 Finnish 13.83
    16 East_Finnish 13.98
    17 Moldavian 14.41
    18 Southwest_Finnish 14.93
    19 Hungarian 16.25
    20 East_German 17.5


    1 85.9% Lithuanian + 14.1% Sardinian @ 3.7
    2 92.7% Estonian_Polish + 7.3% Sardinian @ 3.9
    3 91.3% Belorussian + 8.7% Sardinian @ 4.53
    4 54.9% Ukrainian + 45.1% Estonian_Polish @ 4.7
    5 88.1% Estonian_Polish + 11.9% Bulgarian @ 4.73
    6 92.8% Russian_Smolensk + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.74
    7 91% Estonian_Polish + 9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.75
    8 93.7% Estonian_Polish + 6.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.76
    9 80% Lithuanian + 20% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.77
    10 85.4% Lithuanian + 14.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.77
    11 74.8% Lithuanian + 25.2% Bulgarian @ 4.8
    12 92.7% Estonian_Polish + 7.3% Central_Greek @ 4.83
    13 76.6% Estonian_Polish + 23.4% Croatian @ 4.83
    14 76.7% Ukrainian + 23.3% Lithuanian @ 4.83
    15 92.8% Estonian_Polish + 7.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.83
    16 93.4% Estonian_Polish + 6.6% South_Italian @ 4.84
    17 80.9% Estonian_Polish + 19.1% Moldavian @ 4.85
    18 92.9% Estonian_Polish + 7.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.85
    19 94% Estonian_Polish + 6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.87
    20 92.3% Estonian_Polish + 7.7% Tuscan @ 4.88


    1 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.206165
    2 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 5.325684
    3 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish @ 5.330981
    4 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.397238
    5 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.406080
    6 Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.408417
    7 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 5.418959
    8 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 5.436969
    9 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.441103
    10 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Moldavian @ 5.456219
    11 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Moldavian @ 5.463776
    12 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.496399
    13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.505117
    14 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian @ 5.543504
    15 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 5.552551
    16 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.570546
    17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 5.574946
    18 Belorussian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.575564
    19 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian @ 5.577465
    20 Belorussian + Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish @ 5.577754
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-13-2017 at 07:56 AM.

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