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    Ashkenazi, Sephardi averages question

    I have posted here averages of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews from Eurogenes K15. If you look the results are extremely similar. The main differences Ashkenazi will score more North_Sea, Baltic, Eastern_Euro. Sephardi will score more Atlantic, West_Med, East_Med.

    Ashkenazi average K15

    Population
    North_Sea 9.89
    Atlantic 10.70
    Baltic 6.74
    Eastern_Euro 5.17
    West_Med 14.82
    West_Asian 13.05
    East_Med 26.61
    Red_Sea 8.07
    South_Asian 1.20
    Southeast_Asian 0.60
    Siberian 0.58
    Amerindian 0.32
    Oceanian 0.24
    Northeast_African 1.63
    Sub-Saharan 0.39

    Sephardi average K15

    Population
    North_Sea 5.29
    Atlantic 14.02
    Baltic 2.36
    Eastern_Euro 1.42
    West_Med 16.21
    West_Asian 13.51
    East_Med 33.88
    Red_Sea 9.68
    South_Asian 0.74
    Southeast_Asian 0.27
    Siberian 0.38
    Amerindian 0.00
    Oceanian 0.24
    Northeast_African 1.26
    Sub-Saharan 0.43

    I have one Jewish great-grandparent so I would expect 1/8 Jewish admixture

    I am 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Jewish

    6 Polish/Ukrainian great-grandparents, 1 Bulgarian great-grandparent, 1 (Pan-Jewish?) great-grandparent

    Knowing what I have said above with my family history does my K15 1/8 Jewish score resemble that of Ashkenazi or Sephardi? Or mix of both? Or something else?

    I welcome all opinions please share your wisdom, this is interesting topic. Here is my full K15


    Bobbyjohnson88 K15 (7/8 Slavic 1/8 Jewish)

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 29.56
    2 North_Sea 25.76
    3 Eastern_Euro 17.36
    4 Atlantic 11.17
    5 East_Med 6.79
    6 West_Med 6
    7 West_Asian 1.36
    8 Siberian 0.75
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.54
    10 Amerindian 0.42
    11 Oceanian 0.25
    12 Southeast_Asian 0.04
    13 South_Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian 6.35
    2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.52
    3 South_Polish 8.03
    4 Estonian 8.87
    5 Polish 9.02
    6 Southwest_Russian 9.92
    7 Belorussian 10.09
    8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
    9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
    10 Estonian_Polish 11.02
    11 Lithuanian 11.06
    12 Hungarian 11.91
    13 Croatian 12.06
    14 Finnish 12.21
    15 Moldavian 12.67
    16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
    17 East_Finnish 13.44
    18 Southwest_Finnish 14
    19 Erzya 14.84
    20 East_German 15.33

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
    2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
    3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
    4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
    5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
    6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
    7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
    8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
    9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
    10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
    11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
    12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
    13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
    14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
    16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
    17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
    19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
    20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian +50% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.287818

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Lithuanian @ 6.843214

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 6.843214
    2 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.933024
    3 Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.934488
    4 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.939225
    5 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.990501
    6 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.105453
    7 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192209
    8 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192284
    9 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 7.233502
    10 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 7.250309
    11 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.287818
    12 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.330347
    13 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.351576
    14 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.356470
    15 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.361375
    16 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.363062
    17 Estonian + Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.366961
    18 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.373354
    19 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.391855
    20 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.411964
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-11-2017 at 11:44 PM.

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    Bobbyjohnson88 autosomal results

    Ancestry
    99% Europe East
    >1% Finland/Northwest Russia

    Geneplaza
    80.9% North Slavic
    8.9% Eastern Mediterranean
    7.4% Southwestern European
    1.7% Ambiguous non-West Eurasian
    1.1% Ambiguous West Eurasian


    Gencove
    85% Northeast Europe
    10% Southwest Europe
    5% Eastern Mediterranean


    Dnaland
    85% North Slavic
    9% Sardinian
    2.2% Southwestern European
    2.1% Balkan
    1.2% Mediterranean Islander
    0.5% Ambiguous


    Wegene
    63.51% Hungarian
    35.86% Russian
    0.58% Ashkenazi ?
    0.05% Chinese

    MyHeritage
    88.3% East European
    8% Baltic
    2.9% Ashkenazi Jewish ?
    0.8% Native American
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-12-2017 at 01:28 AM.

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    Bobbyjohnson88 Jtest by chromosome

    Population Chr--> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

    SOUTH_BALTIC 35.6 32.3 28.3 38.6 30.1 27.7 36.5 32.9 41.8 24.2 29.7 26.1 29.4 39.4 32.0 35.0 18.1 16.2 23.9 22.5 38.8 37.4

    EAST_EURO 30.0 14.2 23.8 12.1 22.0 32.9 4.0 2.6 18.4 21.4 8.4 19.5 12.3 23.5 15.2 25.4 24.0 18.9 16.4 14.1 11.9 9.0

    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 0.4 16.9 10.3 13.4 14.6 11.2 26.2 38.3 29.3 21.1 23.3 23.5 32.4 22.6 19.0 14.8 13.1 16.0 31.1 17.5 6.2 11.1

    ATLANTIC 12.9 14.5 21.2 8.7 11.7 15.1 18.1 1.0 2.7 4.8 2.1 17.9 13.1 2.8 4.8 17.3 15.7 12.4 9.8 31.4 3.4 5.1

    WEST_MED 3.5 11.8 6.3 6.7 2.3 3.7 10.6 0.3 3.9 6.4 - 1.2 9.2 1.4 13.2 - 7.0 9.6 7.1 12.4 9.0 13.5

    ASHKENAZI 1.2 6.8 - 3.4 5.8 - - - 2.9 2.0 16.4 7.1 0.4 - 5.0 - 7.3 - - 2.1 10.8 14.9

    EAST_MED 8.7 0.7 8.3 5.5 - 6.2 0.8 10.7 - 10.5 5.7 - - - 8.6 - 14.9 10.6 - - - -

    WEST_ASIAN 4.2 0.2 - 9.4 8.2 - 3.8 10.9 1.1 0.6 10.7 - - 10.3 - 7.5 - 16.3 - - - -

    MIDDLE_EASTERN - 1.7 - - 0.9 - - - 0.1 2.9 - - - - 0.1 - - - 0.3 - 19.4 -

    SOUTH_ASIAN - - - 2.1 4.3 2.3 - - - 2.3 - - - - - - - - - - - -

    EAST_AFRICAN 1.6 - - - - - - - - 2.0 1.5 0.5 2.1 - - - - - - - 0.7 -

    EAST_ASIAN - 1.0 1.3 - 0.1 - - - - - - - - - 1.2 - - - - - - 2.7

    SIBERIAN - - - - - 1.0 - 3.3 - 1.4 - 4.2 - - 0.9 - - - 11.4 - - 4.6

    WEST_AFRICAN 1.9 - 0.5 - - - - - - 0.3 2.3 - 1.2 - - - - - - - - 1.7

    Number of SNPs eval: 12770 12474 10821 9302 9763 10278 8698 8684 7867 8642 7802 7970 5933 5465 5096 5215 4802 5093 3341 4497 2551 2556
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-12-2017 at 02:53 AM.

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    This is a perfect case for looking at your matches. If you have a fair number of matches with Ashkenazi surnames that will be a tell. Much easier to look at your actual matches in this case than to try to work out what 1/8th of a component means.
     

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    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    This is a perfect case for looking at your matches. If you have a fair number of matches with Ashkenazi surnames that will be a tell. Much easier to look at your actual matches in this case than to try to work out what 1/8th of a component means.
    Ok, thanks

    Where can I find info of matches with Gedmatch site? I will post here surnames...

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    I see no indication that you have Jewish ancestry through Admixture. In your case, you'll need to really look at your match list. Look for clustering Jewish matches.
    Jtest - Evil twin phase
    AJ + Serbian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + Ukrainian-Russian @ 5.893190

    McDonald
    Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 32% (+- 11.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


    Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521
    Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641
    Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695
    Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690
    Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417


    Eurogenes K13
    Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + La_Brana-1 @ 5.135429

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    GEDmatch.Com Autosomal Comparison - V2.1.1(c)

    Comparing Kit (East Europe) and T759387 (JUAN LOPEZ)

    Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 500 SNPs
    Mismatch-bunching Limit = 250 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM


    Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
    12 203,121 3,120,524 7.6 568
    Largest segment = 7.6 cM
    Total of segments > 7 cM = 7.6 cM
    1 matching segments
    Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.4

    400815 SNPs used for this comparison.

    What does this mean? I ran a kit named "Juan Lopez" is matching 7.6 centimorgans is that legit match or no?
    Last edited by Bobbyjohnson88; 10-12-2017 at 03:41 AM.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    I see no indication that you have Jewish ancestry through Admixture. In your case, you'll need to really look at your match list. Look for clustering Jewish matches.
    I am Jewish though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    I see no indication that you have Jewish ancestry through Admixture. In your case, you'll need to really look at your match list. Look for clustering Jewish matches.
    Can you explain more what is clustering matches please? I am looking at surnames now on Gedmatch

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    BTW here is how match "Juan Lopez" score, I am trying figure out how I can match with 100% Spanish person?

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.3% Spanish_Murcia + 34.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.15
    2 82% Spanish_Murcia + 18% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.17
    3 90.7% Spanish_Murcia + 9.3% Southwest_French @ 3.23
    4 86.7% Spanish_Murcia + 13.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.24
    5 51.9% Spanish_Valencia + 48.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.24
    6 74.4% Spanish_Murcia + 25.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.25
    7 96.5% Spanish_Murcia + 3.5% French_Basque @ 3.26
    8 86% Spanish_Murcia + 14% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.26
    9 92.4% Spanish_Murcia + 7.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.3
    10 99.3% Spanish_Murcia + 0.7% Sardinian @ 3.31
    11 99.9% Spanish_Murcia + 0.1% Yoruban @ 3.31
    12 95.6% Spanish_Murcia + 4.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.31
    13 99.9% Spanish_Murcia + 0.1% Mandenka @ 3.32
    14 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Abhkasian @ 3.32
    15 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Adygei @ 3.32
    16 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.32
    17 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.32
    18 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.32
    19 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 3.32
    20 100% Spanish_Murcia + 0% Algerian @ 3.32

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