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    Doesn't the significantly higher level of I1 compared to R1 in Finland indicate that I1 was expanding in fennoscandanavia ahead of corded ware?

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    Doesn't the significantly higher level of I1 compared to R1 in Finland as opposed to Sweden indicate it was already expanding in fennoscandanavia ahead of corded ware?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uintah106 View Post
    Doesn't the significantly higher level of I1 compared to R1 in Finland as opposed to Sweden indicate it was already expanding in fennoscandanavia ahead of corded ware?
    This is what eupedia has to say about I1 in Finland. Majority of I1 in Finland seems to be something downstream of I-DF29 (CTS6364 or Z60 clades).
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2 (Ireland), R-L21 x2 (Ireland & Scotland), I-M223 (Ireland), R-S1141 (Scotland), R-U198 & R-U106 (Netherlands), mtHg J1c3 (Ireland)
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    I've been thinking about the various subclades of I-Z140 that seem to have an "exclusive" or biased presence in the British Isles.

    I1-Z140-tree.png

    I've wondered about their potential origins within the Isles. Some of them seem to have early origins in the Isles. All signs I suppose point to early Anglo-Saxon/Germanic origins? However these things could change as more people participate in NGS testing like BigY.
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
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    R-M222 x2 (Ireland), R-L21 x2 (Ireland & Scotland), I-M223 (Ireland), R-S1141 (Scotland), R-U198 & R-U106 (Netherlands), mtHg J1c3 (Ireland)
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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    I've been thinking about the various subclades of I-Z140 that seem to have an "exclusive" or biased presence in the British Isles.

    I1-Z140-tree.png

    I've wondered about their potential origins within the Isles. Some of them seem to have early origins in the Isles. All signs I suppose point to early Anglo-Saxon/Germanic origins? However these things could change as more people participate in NGS testing like BigY.
    Z140 is a tough one and I haven't looked into it in depth. It's widespread so more testing will help bit by bit. There's a Z140 Facebook group that looks interesting but I didn't join it. I wanted to let you know in case you hadn't heard of it.

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    Thanks.

    I've heard of the Z140 facebook page, though I don't use facebook. Most of the websites pertaining to I-Z140 are relatively old compared to what we see now with the YFull and ISOGG trees for haplogroup I1. I-Z140 certainly made its way around Europe, albeit in smaller numbers than other haplogroups.

    Perhaps one day I1 will gain the same research steam as the R1 megagroup. Hopefully with more aDNA finds to go along with it!

    I-Z63 has an interesting spread from what I can tell, an "East Germanic" branch yet it is found in areas usually settled by Western and Northern Germanic groups. As you mentioned previously the Germanic tribes had to be thoroughly mixed, perhaps due to the many generations spent in a tiny area in northern Europe that they eventually expanded from?
    Y-DNA: I-Z140 [Big Y: PENDING] (Scotland)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2 (Ireland), R-L21 x2 (Ireland & Scotland), I-M223 (Ireland), R-S1141 (Scotland), R-U198 & R-U106 (Netherlands), mtHg J1c3 (Ireland)
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    Maternal: Netherlands

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