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    he acts in a discret way here
    ... discretion is recommended to anyone who acts behind enemy lines. But his first posts are not precisely what I would call "discretion".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Snow View Post
    Considering R1a-M417(Satem) and R1b-M269(Centum) diversified in the exact same region and time, that of Shulaveri-Shomu culture, I don't know how it's surprising to anyone that it's the PIE homeland.
    According to Underhill et al. (2014/2015), R1a1a1, the most frequent subclade of R1a, split into R-Z282 (Europe) and R-Z93 (Asia) at circa 5,800 before present, in the vicinity of Iran and Eastern Turkey.
    According to Hovhannisyan et al, 2014 all the variance of R1b-M269 is heavily concentrated in the exact same region of the Armenian Highlands/Eastern Anatolia.
    J2 is also an Indoeuropean marker present in all Indoeuropean countries, obviously also present in that region.
    It's obvious now that R1a is a marker of North Eurasian foragers and not native to Iran and Eastern Turkey. Papers on R1a based on modern DNA were wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    It's obvious now that R1a is a marker of North Eurasian foragers and not native to Iran and Eastern Turkey. Papers on R1a based on modern DNA were wrong.
    Argument from ignorance as Shulaveri-Shomu is unsampled.
    What is obvious when you look at Iran neolithic then Iran calcolithic then Iran iron age is that it forms a straight line towards Anatolia in the exact same region where analysis of R1a-M417 and R1b-M269 indicate they were at that time, and the whole process of Indoeuropeanization of Iran had nothing to do with the Steppes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    It's obvious now that R1a is a marker of North Eurasian foragers and not native to Iran and Eastern Turkey. Papers on R1a based on modern DNA were wrong.
    There is no argument for what you state, but no one that I recall can say where R1 was formed and/or where did R1a and R1b split , was it in the same area.

    The only thing we know about R origin is what Karafet stated in her paper/s a few years ago ............basically we have a missing origin for R1 and R2

    Father's Mothers Ydna ......R-S22778 ........Merlengo Veneto
    Father's Mtdna .....T2b35.......1735 Porcellengo Veneto Italy
    Wife's Ydna ..........R-DF99
    Sons Mtdna .....K1a4 ...........1710 Carnic Alps

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, A339+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    For info: it seems that Mr Snow here and Olympus Mons are actually two different persons. I was wrong on this point, and there are two worshippers of Shulaveri-Shomu. Hopefully it's not contagious.
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    Shuvaleri is an interesting phenomenon, to be fair. It might be the source of CHG in steppe EBA..
    But it doesn't mean they magically migrated to Iberia

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    It might be the source of CHG in steppe EBA
    Yes, it might be. That said I find it hard to imagine how Khvalynsk could have inherited their 20% CHG from that source, but, yes... I agree that it's not an argument. Anyway, with such a conjecture we are very far from OM's theories ( mix of Salvator Dali and Monty Python), and from ... that: "Can anyone explain why we have aDNA from hundreds of completely irrelevant bronze age and neolithic populations who never accomplished anything ..." ( http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post254187 )
    edit: that said and while I'm at it I agree with post #62, and more generally I will always fiercely support the idea that the truth of R1a and R1b is in Siberia, and nowhere else. Viel Feind viel Ehr!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    For info: it seems that Mr Snow here and Olympus Mons are actually two different persons. I was wrong on this point, and there are two worshippers of Shulaveri-Shomu. Hopefully it's not contagious.
    batman&robin or Don Quixote&Sancho Panza againist steppe theory???I hope they forgive my idiotic humor and that new ancient DNA from caucasus will come out !!!after all,we could be wrong, men have always believed for millennia that it was the sun to turn around the earth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paoloferrari View Post
    batman&robin or Don Quixote&Sancho Panza againist steppe theory???I hope they forgive my idiotic humor and that new ancient DNA from caucasus will come out !!!after all,we could be wrong, men have always believed for millennia that it was the sun to turn around the earth!
    About Mr.Snow I must be fair, we don't know with all details what are his thoughts: a few posts and some rude claims, that's all. About Olympus Mons, he has published an extensive presentation of his theory. First line : "Why the Shulaveri-Shomu were the R1b forefathers. ". Haha! From the first line to the last one, it would be punishable under the article 3.14 of our ToS: "3.14 Pseudoscientific material that is presented as scientific will be deleted immediately and without notice by the administration. Furthermore, it is the poster's duty to preemptively determine whether their imminent posts contain masked pseudoscience." I don't want to post a link to this text, search with Google and the words "shulaveri-shomu" and "olympus mons". If this guy is right, I hang myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Yes, it might be. That said I find it hard to imagine how Khvalynsk could have inherited their 20% CHG from that source, but, yes... I agree that it's not an argument.
    Probably indirect source, via a couple of intermediary locations

    mix of Salvator Dali and Monty Python
    I'd pay to see that!

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