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    Quote Originally Posted by navarro View Post
    That's interesting. There was a large Jewish community in Spain. But In 1492 they were forced to either be converted to Catholicism or were forced into exile. I'll contact SNP Tribes Analysis. Is there any Gedmatch project I could take to find out more ?
    Their is a forum on Gedmatch, you can post your kitnumber in the Jewish section, maybe Kevin Brook can take a look at it for you. He's an expert in Jewish dna.
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    Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 32% (+- 11.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


    Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521
    Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641
    Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695
    Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690
    Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Their is a forum on Gedmatch, you can post your kitnumber in the Jewish section, maybe Kevin Brook can take a look at it for you. He's an expert in Jewish dna.
    Thank you! I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navarro View Post
    Hi! I'm from Northern Spain, I took an autosomal test and was surprised to get a 23% Italian/Greek. I've been working on my tree for the past 12 years and never came across an Italian/Greek ancestor, so I assumed this is due to the history and migration patterns between these two countries, as Sicily and a large area of Italy mainland, was part of the Crown of Aragon, and later in the 16th and 17th Century during the Spanish Empire era. However, people keep telling me that percentage is too high and has to be due to having relatively recent Italian and Greek Ancestors.

    I think you are right to assume you don't have any recent Italian lineage, especially in light of your own family tree research. Like Ancestry mentions themselves their Ethnicity Estimates reflect origins which can go back "thousands of years ago". Also the countryname labeling of AncestryDNA's regions is not intended to be taken as gospel. According to Ancestry's own info socalled "Italy/Greece" is "also found in: France, Switzerland, Portugal, Spain". I have been doing a survey of Spanish AncestryDNA results and your breakdown does not stand out in any major way at all. In fact for some Portuguese socalled "Italy/Greece" often gets reported with even higher amounts. Yet still to their knowledge they are fully Portuguese.

    Here's a link to an article which goes into greater detail:

    https://tracingafricanroots.wordpres...berian-results


    Summary of 10 Spanish results:

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    You don't need to have any italian or jewish ancestry at all , that's bullshit . Don't take the componentes literally like some ignorants do. That's because the Iberian component is Basque, and thus what makes a spaniard different from a pure Basque is something italian-like (in other words, more shifted to west-asia), and that is reflected with the Italy/Greece . You can see also that on PCA plots, we spaniards can plot between basques and northern-italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
    You don't need to have any italian or jewish ancestry at all , that's bullshit . Don't take the componentes literally like some ignorants do. That's because the Iberian component is Basque, and thus what makes a spaniard different from a pure Basque is something italian-like (in other words, more shifted to west-asia), and that is reflected with the Italy/Greece . You can see also that on PCA plots, we spaniards can plot between basques and northern-italians.
    Yes don't take them seriously, theirs no point in taking DNA tests at all. Lol what a joke. Dude if you wanna be 100% Spanish, that's great, but at some point you need to accept reality.

    This person has a ton of NON Spanish matches in the 5th cousin range. Are you going to say they're ancient matches? You don't understand admixture. A person who has a ton of non Spanish matches, I'm sorry, is not 100% Spanish.
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    Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 32% (+- 11.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


    Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521
    Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641
    Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695
    Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690
    Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417


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    Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + La_Brana-1 @ 5.135429

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Yes don't take them seriously, theirs no point in taking DNA tests at all.
    Yes there is a point , but you have to be ready to understand, and not think that because you score Italian/Greek you have actual italian ancestry.
    This person has a ton of NON Spanish matches in the 5th cousin range. Are you going to say they're ancient matches? You don't understand admixture. A person who has a ton of non Spanish matches, I'm sorry, is not 100% Spanish.
    Doesn't mean shit. All europeans have matches that are not part of their ancestry. Me myself I got "cousins" as far as Lithuania or Russia. Unless it's a big sharing cM, .means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
    Yes there is a point , but you have to be ready to understand, and not think that because you score Italian/Greek you have actual italian ancestry.

    Doesn't mean shit. All europeans have matches that are not part of their ancestry. Me myself I got "cousins" as far as Lithuania or Russia. Unless it's a big sharing cM, .means nothing.
    If you're going to tell me, that a person who has Jewish matches all throughout their matchlist, doesn't share a Jewish ancestor with people who are fully Jewish, tells me you are clueless. The fact that you believe that someone who comes back 20%+ Italian on tests, has no Italian admixture, tells me you're clueless.


    Btw at 11cM largest block is a significant match.
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    Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 32% (+- 11.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


    Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521
    Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641
    Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695
    Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690
    Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417


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    Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + La_Brana-1 @ 5.135429

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    20%+ Italian on tests, has no Italian admixture, tells me you're clueless.
    Exactly. There is not italian ancestry at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
    Exactly. There is not italian ancestry at all.
    Here's his k13. Elevated East Med, and consistant Southwrn Italian admixture.


    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 36.04
    2 West_Med 28.58
    3 Baltic 13.69
    4 East_Med 12.53
    5 Red_Sea 3.40
    6 West_Asian 2.36
    7 Northeast_African 1.45
    8 Oceanian 1.14


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.582829
    2 Portuguese @ 5.008241
    3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.486205
    4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.137109
    5 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.609369
    6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.794207
    7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.810872
    8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.852871
    9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.963149
    10 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.013052
    11 Southwest_French @ 8.058290
    12 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.797029
    13 North_Italian @ 10.221940
    14 French @ 12.483675
    15 Tuscan @ 17.480886
    16 South_Dutch @ 18.957024
    17 West_German @ 19.032396
    18 Serbian @ 22.160383
    19 French_Basque @ 22.176344
    20 Romanian @ 22.361088

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Italian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.575578


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Portuguese +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 1.865426


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.755909
    2 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 1.784432
    3 Portuguese + Portuguese + Sardinian + Swedish @ 1.865426
    4 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.894562
    5 North_German + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.924076
    6 Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.930546
    7 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.933166
    8 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.956021
    9 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.970163
    10 Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 1.980966
    11 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.010646
    12 North_German + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.034089
    13 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.034677
    14 North_German + Portuguese + Portuguese + Sardinian @ 2.074085
    15 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.093324
    16 Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 2.104059
    17 North_German + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.127500
    18 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.153259
    19 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.169065
    20 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.174082
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    McDonald
    Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
    and 32% (+- 11.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


    Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521
    Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641
    Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695
    Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690
    Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417


    Eurogenes K13
    Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + La_Brana-1 @ 5.135429

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Here's his k13


    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 36.04
    2 West_Med 28.58
    3 Baltic 13.69
    4 East_Med 12.53
    5 Red_Sea 3.40
    6 West_Asian 2.36
    7 Northeast_African 1.45
    8 Oceanian 1.14


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.582829
    2 Portuguese @ 5.008241
    3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.486205
    4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.137109
    5 Spanish_Valencia @ 6.609369
    6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.794207
    7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.810872
    8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.852871
    9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.963149
    10 Spanish_Murcia @ 7.013052
    11 Southwest_French @ 8.058290
    12 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.797029
    13 North_Italian @ 10.221940
    14 French @ 12.483675
    15 Tuscan @ 17.480886
    16 South_Dutch @ 18.957024
    17 West_German @ 19.032396
    18 Serbian @ 22.160383
    19 French_Basque @ 22.176344
    20 Romanian @ 22.361088

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Italian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.575578


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Portuguese +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 1.865426


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.755909
    2 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 1.784432
    3 Portuguese + Portuguese + Sardinian + Swedish @ 1.865426
    4 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.894562
    5 North_German + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.924076
    6 Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.930546
    7 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.933166
    8 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.956021
    9 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.970163
    10 Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 1.980966
    11 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.010646
    12 North_German + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.034089
    13 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.034677
    14 North_German + Portuguese + Portuguese + Sardinian @ 2.074085
    15 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.093324
    16 Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 2.104059
    17 North_German + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.127500
    18 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.153259
    19 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.169065
    20 Portuguese + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.174082
    So ? Looks like a normal spaniard to me.

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