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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    All samples used

    I0126_Poltavka
    I0432_Poltavka_outlier
    I0440_Poltavka
    I0232_Srubnaya
    I0234_Srubnaya
    I0235_Srubnaya
    I0358_Srubnaya
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    I0423_Srubnaya
    I0430_Srubnaya
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    I0246_Potapovka
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    I0439_Yamnaya_Samara
    I0441_Yamnaya_Samara
    I0443_Yamnaya_Samara
    I0444_Yamnaya_Samara
    RISE552_Yamnaya_Kalmykia
    RISE240_Yamnaya_Kalmykia
    RISE546_Yamnaya_Kalmykia
    RISE548_Yamnaya_Kalmykia
    RISE386_Sintashta
    RISE391_Sintashta
    RISE394_Sintashta
    RISE395_Sintashta
    RISE493_Sabinka_2
    RISE492_Sabinka_2_Russia
    RISE497_Arban_1
    RISE500_Andronovo
    RISE503_Andronovo
    RISE512_Andronovo_outlier
    RISE507_Afanasievo
    RISE509_Afanasievo
    RISE510_Afanasievo
    RISE515_Okunevo_BA_
    RISE516_Okunevo_BA
    RISE523_Mezhovskaya_BA_
    RISE524_Mezhovskaya_BA_
    RISE525_Mezhovskaya_BA_
    RISE555Russia_EBA
    RISE600_Verh0Uimon__Iron_Age_
    Sweden_Motala012
    Motala01_Sweden_
    Motala02_Sweden
    Motala04_Sweden
    Motala06_Sweden
    Motala09_Sweden
    Swden_Stora_Forvar_11
    Sweden_Ajvide58_
    Sweden__Ajvide53_
    Sweden_Ajvide59_
    Sweden_Ajvide70
    Sweden_Ajvide52
    Sweden_Ire8
    Hungary_Meso_KO1_
    Hungary_N_KO2
    Hungary_N_NE1_
    Hungary_N_NE2
    Hungary_N_NE3
    Hungary_N_NE4
    Hungary_N_NE5
    Hungary_N_NE6
    Hungary_N_NE7
    Hungary_N_CO1
    Hungary_BA_BR1_
    Hungary_BA_BR2
    Hungary_BA_RISE247
    Hungary_BA_RISE254
    Hungary_BA_RISE349
    Hungary_BA_RISE371
    Hungary_BA_RISE373
    Hungary_BA_RISE374
    Hungary_BA_RISE479
    Hungary_BA_RISE480
    Hungary_BA_RISE483
    Hungary_BA_RISE484
    Hungary_IA_IR1
    RISE566_Czech_Bell_Beaker_LN__
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker
    RISE568_Early_Czech_Slav_
    RISE569__Early_Czech_Slav_
    RISE586_Czech_Central_LNBA
    KremsWA3_Austria
    HG1_Latvia
    HG3_Latvia_HQ
    Latvia_MN1__Zvej26_
    Latvia_LN1__zvej28_
    Kudrukula2_MA974_LOWx_Estonia_CCC
    Kudrukula3_MA975_LOWx_Estonia_CCC
    Kunila2_MA973_Estonia_CWC
    Sope_MA826_Estonia_CWC
    Ardu2_MA969_Estonia_CWC
    Ardu1_MA968_LOWx_Estonia_CWC
    Kunila1_MA971_Estonia_CWC
    RISE00_Corded_Estonia__Estonia_CWC
    Lithuania_RISE598
    Germany_CWC_I0550
    Germany_CWC_I0108
    Germany_CWC_I0106
    Germany_CWC_I0049
    Germany_CWC_I0111
    Germany_CWC_I0103
    Germany_CWC_I0104
    Germany_BB_I0058
    Germany_BB_I0059
    Germany_BB_I0113
    Germany_BB_I0060
    Germany_BB_I0806
    Germany_BB_I0112
    Germany_BB_RISE563_
    Germany_BB__RISE560_
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12
    Germany_Unetice_I0117
    Germany_Unetice_I0114
    Germany_Unetice_I0804
    Germany_Unetice_I0803
    Germany_Unetice__I0116
    Germany_BA_I0047
    Germany_EBA_I0164
    Germany_EBA_I0115
    Germany_MBA__RISE47
    Germany_LNBA_I0099_Halberstadt
    HG1_Ukraine_HQ
    Ukraine_N1__Vovnigi_2__early_neolithic_
    I1293_Iran_Mesolithic
    I1670_Iran_Chalc
    I1662_Iran_Chalc
    I1674_Iran_Chalc
    I1665_Iran_Chalc
    F38_Iran_EIA
    I1955_Iran_Late_Medieval
    IRAN_CHL_I1661
    BA_Vale_Ouro_
    PT_BA_TorreVelha_3831
    PT_LN_Monte_Canelas_1
    PT_BA_ERR1524174
    PT_BA_TorreVelha_32032
    PT_BA_MonteGato_104
    EHG_I0124_Samara
    I0061_OleniyOstrov
    Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_
    Khvalynsk_I0122_EHG
    RISE1_OblaczkowoCWC_PL
    RISE139_Chociwell__PL__Unetice_
    RISE154_Szczepankowice___Unetice_EBA_
    RISE109_Wojkowice_PL__Unetice_EBA_
    RISE150_Przeclawice_PL
    PL_N17_Early_BA
    RISE431_CWC_ProtoUnetice_Poland_
    Kowalewko_22_
    Mas_5_
    Kowalewko_45_
    Kow_26_
    Kow_55
    Kow_25
    Niemcza_34
    Samara_Scythian_IA
    Sarmatian_PR9_I0574_Pokrovka
    Sarmatian_PR3_I0575__Pokrovka
    Pazyryk_Be9_I05622
    Pazyryk_Be11_I0563
    AldyBel_A17_I0576
    AldyBel_A10_I0577_Arzhan
    ZevakinoChilikta_Kazachsta_Is2
    ZevakinoChilikta_Ze6
    11200_Satsurblia_CHG
    7700_Kotias_CHG
    Kotias_CHG
    I1407_Armenia_Chalcolithic_
    I1409_Armenia_Chalcolithic
    I1584_AnatolianChL
    I1631_ArmeniaChL
    I1632_Armenia_Chalcolithic
    I1633_Armenia_EBA_
    I1634_Armenia_Chalcolithic_
    I1635_Armenia_EBA_
    I1656_ArmeniaMLBA
    I1658_ArmeniaEBA
    RISE407_Norabak_Armenia
    RISE413_Armenia_MBA
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA
    RISE423_Armenia_MBA_
    RISE408_Armenia_LBA_
    RISE412_Armenia_LBA_
    RISE396_Armenia_LBA_
    RISE397_Armenia_LBA_
    Kum4_Anatolia_EBA
    Bar8_Anatolia_N
    Bar31_Anatolia_N
    I0707_Anatolia_N
    I0708_Anatolia_N
    I0709_Anatolia_N
    Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_
    Egyptian_mummy_II_JK2134_
    Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_
    3DRIF26_Gladiator_York
    _Jordan_EBA__I1705
    _Jordan_EBA__I1730
    Levant_BA__I0867_Levantine_PPNB
    Natufian__NameI1072_
    Levant_N__AinGhazal_
    Levant_N__AinGhazal_
    Levant_N__I1671_Gabi
    Levant_N__AinGhazal_
    Levant_N__AinGhazal_
    Levant_N__AinGhazal_
    Hinxton1_Celt
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    6DRIF18_Gladiator_York
    6DRIF21_Gladiator_York_
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York
    6DRIF22_Gladiator_York
    6DRIF3_Gladiator_York
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    NO3423_AngloSaxon_Teesside
    Hinxton2_Anglosaxon
    Hinxton3_Anglosaxon
    Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
    RISE486_Remedello
    RISE487_Remedello_
    RISE489Remedello
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    Eskimo_4ky
    MOS_5_Devil's_Gate
    Lapita_Il_369
    Lapita_CP_30
    Lapita_Il_370
    RISE554_Afontova_Gora_LBA
    Malta_Siberia
    Loschbour
    LaBrana
    _Mota1
    Revenia5
    Kleitos10
    I2937_Greece_N
    I0073_Minoan
    I0070_Minoan
    I9006_Mycenean
    I9010_Mycean
    I9033_Mycenaean
    I9041_Mycean
    I9123_Crete_Armenoi
    Hey Lukasz... what is your feeling about both 6drif-3 and 3drif-16 as they were related on the Y-chromosome and both gladiators etc etc... with all this autosomal stuff? Germanic, Celtic, mixture of both? I have an interest since I'm related to both per the Y-DNA (though closer to 6drif-3).

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    1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    Hinxton5_Anglosaxon 6DRIF22_Gladiator_York
    9.711442 10.115923
    6DRIF18_Gladiator_York 6DRIF23_Gladiator_York
    10.208070 10.411887
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman Germany_LNBA_I0099_Halberstadt
    10.961825 13.368560
    RISE150_Przeclawice_PL Germany_BB_I0112
    13.563974 13.804144

    Germany_BB_I0806 17.85
    Hinxton5_Anglosaxon 15.65
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman 15.05
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York 10.80
    Germany_BA_I0047 10.70
    Hungary_BA_RISE374 7.00
    Germany_Unetice_I0804 4.75
    Hungary_BA_RISE371 4.70
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12 3.85
    I0358_Srubnaya 2.50
    I0246_Potapovka 2.45
    Kennewick 2.10
    I0235_Srubnaya 1.95
    RISE1_OblaczkowoCWC_PL 0.65

    Looks pretty good.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, East German or Eastern European 25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, French 8.2%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, and French, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    It's nice, but the distances are still huge
    We have a problem of notation here.
    The datasheet of Global10 has a decimal notation and the K36 are percentages, so multiplied by a factor of 100.
    A distance of 5.1431 in K36 is more or less comparable to 0.051431 in Global 10, so probably heavily overfitted.

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    Why didn't you use RISE569 as well? You said you will use all samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    It's nice, but the distances are still huge
    So using more samples does not really reduce the distances:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post273541

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    The distances seem quite large right now.

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    Dad's results:

    Code:
    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
     6DRIF22_Gladiator_York     Hinxton5_Anglosaxon  6DRIF23_Gladiator_York 
                   8.596249               11.435248               12.029032 
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman          Hungary_BA_BR2  6DRIF18_Gladiator_York 
                  12.701094               13.018122               13.394420 
     3DRIF16_Gladiator_York           Hinxton1_Celt 
                  14.650573               15.905213 
    
    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"                                          
    6DRIF22_Gladiator_York                  15.05
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman                 10.65
    Germany_Unetice_I0804                    7.95
    Hungary_BA_BR2                           7.35
    Hungary_BA_RISE374                       5.65
    Germany_BA_I0047                         5.60
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA                      5.40
    I9041_Mycean                             5.10
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York                   4.65
    Germany_Unetice_I0117                    4.35
    Kowalewko_22_                            3.75
    I0235_Srubnaya                           2.40
    I0358_Srubnaya                           2.40
    Hungary_BA_RISE480                       2.25
    Germany_BB__RISE560_                     1.95
    Hinxton1_Celt                            1.80
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12                   1.75
    Hinxton5_Anglosaxon                      1.75
    Germany_CWC_I0111                        1.35
    Germany_BB_I0112                         1.05
    Germany_LNBA_I0099_Halberstadt           1.05
    I1584_AnatolianChL                       0.85
    Levant_N__AinGhazal4                     0.85
    RISE412_Armenia_LBA_                     0.80
    Hungary_BA_RISE484                       0.70
    I0073_Minoan                             0.65
    Loschbour                                0.60
    Germany_CWC_I0106                        0.55
    Germany_Unetice_I0114                    0.55
    LaBrana                                  0.45
    Kow_26_                                  0.35
    Germany_Unetice_I0803                    0.10
    RISE1_OblaczkowoCWC_PL                   0.10
    Germany_BB_I0059                         0.05
    RISE150_Przeclawice_PL                   0.05
    3DRIF16_Gladiator_York                   0.05
    I9123_Crete_Armenoi                      0.05
    
    "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"                    
    6DRIF22_Gladiator_York         17.60
    Germany_BA_I0047                9.85
    Germany_Unetice_I0804           9.00
    I9041_Mycean                    8.55
    Germany_LNBA_I0099_Halberstadt  7.70
    Hinxton5_Anglosaxon             7.70
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman         7.55
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA             7.40
    Hungary_BA_RISE480              7.20
    Germany_Unetice_I0117           3.15
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York          3.00
    Kowalewko_22_                   2.85
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12          2.70
    I0235_Srubnaya                  2.10
    I0358_Srubnaya                  1.90
    Hungary_BA_RISE374              1.75
    His full k36 compared to 6DRIF22_Gladiator_York:
    (posted before http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post264130)
    Code:
    6DRIF-22 | Father
    Amerindian
    Arabian
    Armenian 0.00 | 2.03
    Basque 0.00 | 2.98
    Central_African
    Central_Euro 9.09 | 4.41
    East_African
    East_Asian
    East_Balkan 3.17 | 2.30
    East_Central_Asian
    East_Central_Euro 10.91 | 8.33
    East_Med
    Eastern_Euro 4.05 | 2.30
    Fennoscandian 7.18 | 6.94
    French 8.49 | 6.36
    Iberian 19.22 | 17.21
    Indo-Chinese
    Italian 9.61 | 11.63
    Malayan
    Near_Eastern
    North_African
    North_Atlantic 15.17 | 14.23
    North_Caucasian 0.00 | 1.73
    North_Sea 10.37 | 13.11
    Northeast_African
    Oceanian
    Omotic 0.46 | 0.00
    Pygmy 0.15 | 0.00
    Siberian
    South_Asian
    South_Central_Asian
    South_Chinese
    Volga-Ural
    West_African
    West_Caucasian 0.79 | 0.39
    West_Med 1.34 | 2.57
    I am pretty sure I saw Tomenable comment that he thought 6DRIF22 had Gaul ancestry, and that Tolan has the highest similarity so far. My dad seems to compare closest with northwest France (when using least squares method) so I assume that is why he is also coming up with a decent amount of similarity?

    My mothers results and my own:
     

    Mom's:
    Code:
     "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
     3DRIF16_Gladiator_York     Hinxton5_Anglosaxon  6DRIF18_Gladiator_York 
                   11.31717                13.05969                13.61844 
              Hinxton1_Celt  6DRIF23_Gladiator_York  RISE150_Przeclawice_PL 
                   14.53813                14.61021                14.77530 
     6DRIF22_Gladiator_York 6DRIF21_Gladiator_York_ 
                   14.94317                15.02457 
    
    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"                                     
    Hinxton1_Celt                           30.10
    Hungary_BA_RISE374                      13.20
    Hungary_BA_RISE371                       8.95
    RISE510_Afanasievo                       8.05
    RISE139_Chociwell__PL__Unetice_          7.60
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA                      5.20
    Hungary_BA_RISE373                       4.20
    Germany_Unetice_I0804                    3.75
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12                   3.65
    I0235_Srubnaya                           3.60
    I0358_Srubnaya                           3.45
    ZevakinoChilikta_Kazachsta_Is2           3.45
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker                1.15
    KremsWA3_Austria                         1.00
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York                   1.00
    I0441_Yamnaya_Samara                     0.95
    RISE569__Early_Czech_Slav_               0.65
    Hungary_IA_IR1                           0.05
    
    "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"         
    Hinxton1_Celt                   29.00
    Hungary_BA_RISE374              14.00
    RISE510_Afanasievo               8.50
    Hungary_BA_RISE371               8.40
    RISE139_Chociwell__PL__Unetice_  7.35
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA              5.10
    I0358_Srubnaya                   4.90
    I0235_Srubnaya                   4.35
    Germany_Unetice_I0804            4.25
    Hungary_BA_RISE373               4.00
    ZevakinoChilikta_Kazachsta_Is2   4.00
    Germany_Unetice__BZH12           3.15
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker        2.00
    KremsWA3_Austria                 1.00
    6DRIF23_Gladiator_York           0.00
    Interesting amount of eastern Europe + Steppe.

    Mine:
    Code:
    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
     6DRIF22_Gladiator_York     Hinxton5_Anglosaxon  6DRIF18_Gladiator_York 
                   9.943571                9.947844               10.766671 
     6DRIF23_Gladiator_York Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman           Hinxton1_Celt 
                  11.538886               11.831234               11.962170 
     3DRIF16_Gladiator_York  RISE150_Przeclawice_PL 
                  12.969233               13.105049 
    
     "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
    Hinxton1_Celt                           32.75
    6DRIF22_Gladiator_York                  16.85
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman                 11.95
    Hungary_IA_IR1                          11.55
    Hungary_BA_RISE374                       9.20
    Germany_CWC_I0111                        5.90
    Hungary_BA_RISE371                       3.70
    Hungary_BA_RISE373                       3.10
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA                      2.10
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker                1.15
    RISE413_Armenia_MBA                      0.85
    Mas_5_                                   0.30
    Levant_N__AinGhazal4                     0.25
    Germany_BA_I0047                         0.15
    Germany_Unetice_I0804                    0.10
    RISE412_Armenia_LBA_                     0.10
    
    "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"
    Hinxton1_Celt             32.55
    6DRIF22_Gladiator_York    18.65
    Hungary_IA_IR1            12.00
    Hinxton4_Celtic_/_Roman   11.35
    Hungary_BA_RISE374         9.45
    Germany_CWC_I0111          5.80
    Hungary_BA_RISE371         3.25
    Hungary_BA_RISE373         2.80
    RISE416_Armenia_MBA        2.75
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker  1.40
    Last edited by Hayden; 08-13-2017 at 07:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Why didn't you use RISE569 as well? You said you will use all samples.
    Look at the list again, it is

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    @ Bollox79
    Considering date, rather more Celtic I think.
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    ...........
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    2,370
    Sex
    Location
    Torun
    Ethnicity
    Central 75% + 25% Masovia
    Nationality
    Pole
    Y-DNA
    R1a > M198 > YP 1337

    Poland
    Now my results are different. I've got RISE569 and suprisingly Armenia Chalcolithic (this probably because of my high East-Balkan 8%).

    Lithuania_RISE598 26.35
    Kudrukula2_MA974_LOWx_Estonia_CCC 16.80
    RISE569__Early_Czech_Slav_ 12.65
    RISE1_OblaczkowoCWC_PL 9.80
    Germany_EBA_I0115 8.50
    Hungary_BA_RISE371 8.20
    Germany_Unetice_I0804 6.20
    Sweden_Ajvide59_ 5.30
    RISE568_Early_Czech_Slav_ 3.05
    I1409_Armenia_Chalcolithic 2.25
    Kow_55 0.50
    RISE567_Czech_Bell_Beaker 0.40

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     Hayden (08-13-2017)

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