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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Firemonkey, in my version you get this for 3000-1000 years ago:

    IA_BritishCelt_6DRIF23 18.05
    IA_CelticBriton_HI4 15.55
    MA_Northumbria_NO3423 13.85
    MA_AngloSaxon_HS2 13.25
    IA_GaelicCelt_6DRIF18 9.20
    IA_PictishBrit_6DRIF21 8.85
    3kyaBA_Mezhovskaya_RISE524 6.50
    IA_Wielbark_Kow22 4.90
    IA_Sweden_RISE174 3.35
    IA_Germano-Celt_6DRIF3 3.20
    3kyaBA_Denmark_RISE47 2.65
    3kyaBA_Sweden_RISE175 0.55
    IA_Sarmatian_I0574 0.10

    Makes much more sense for a British person than getting Wielbark.

    I can also check your results for 5000-3000 and 7000-5000 years ago.
    If you could I would be most grateful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I made these runs for Slavic populations trying to figure out where did the population ancestral to Proto-Slavs live in the Bronze Age or in the Iron Age.
    One problem though is some of the Slavic tribes invaded the eastern Baltic tribe region and thus picked up lots of Baltic gene patterns. So what you think a modern Slavic population gets by picking up an ancient Lithuanian component could be a mix of just picking up very ancient greater regional hunter-gatherer as well as Baltic stuff picked up after the invasions and the latter would have nothing to do with some super early proto-Slavs, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombatofthenorth View Post
    One problem though is some of the Slavic tribes invaded the eastern Baltic tribe region and thus picked up lots of Baltic gene patterns. So what you think a modern Slavic population gets by picking up an ancient Lithuanian component could be a mix of just picking up very ancient greater regional hunter-gatherer as well as Baltic stuff picked up after the invasions and the latter would have nothing to do with some super early proto-Slavs, no?
    Super early proto-Slavs were very similar to the Baltic Bronze Age Trzciniec samples, which is not surprising, considering that Slavs probably derive from the Trzciniec culture one way or another.

    The two early Slavic genomes from Bohemia look very similar to the Trzciniec samples, and one might be basically indistinguishable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Super early proto-Slavs were very similar to the Baltic Bronze Age Trzciniec samples, which is not surprising, considering that Slavs probably derive from the Trzciniec culture one way or another.

    The two early Slavic genomes from Bohemia look very similar to the Trzciniec samples, and one might be basically indistinguishable.
    Are there actual aDNA samples from the Trzciniec culture itself (rather than from putative ancestor or derived cultures)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Are there actual aDNA samples from the Trzciniec culture itself (rather than from putative ancestor or derived cultures)?
    could PL_N17 be Trzciniec culture?
    and Halberstadt(HAL_36) a later continuation of it in lusatian-urnfield?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    could PL_N17 be Trzciniec culture?
    and Halberstadt(HAL_36) a later continuation of it in lusatian-urnfield?
    PL_N17 is too early for Trzciniec, judging by it's location it probably belonged to Iwno culture, which was one of the predecessors of Trzciniec.

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