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    Well, actually may be I should rephrase.

    I am closer to one Syrian and two Lebanese tester under R1a group simply because I share more SNPs than anyone else under that category.

    I was thinking I could be under Dersim group; however it seems like I am (-) for YP5820. Under YP5820 there are Kurdish and Armenian testers.

    I know R1a is classified as IndoEuropean however, as you are probably aware there are number of branches with considerable number of people from Middle East. (and I am not even talking about Z93 which is a probably a solid Asian branch of R1a)

    For example when you look at the sequence of M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282>Y17491>YP4858>

    you have people from Pakistan, Kuwait, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Italy and even Ukraine.

    I've read that this Y17491 branch could very well be another Asian branch which moved along with Z93.

    To me this Y17491 branch needs a lot more samples to represent ancestry.

    Regarding Adyge people, I have come to know some Adyge and Caucasian people who has serious knowledge of their background. There seems to be no similar sequence to mine. Yes there are serious number of R1a people among Eastern Caucasia but none from my branch.
    Thus, for now I do not have any sign of Caucasian ancestry in terms of YDNA data.

    On the other hand autosomal data has some signs of a positive anomaly for Caucasian background which is quite usual for anyone in the region.

    Let me share my Eurogenes K36 results;
    Population
    Amerindian 0.53
    Arabian 1.34
    Armenian 11.38
    Central_Euro 2.76
    East_Asian 0.46
    East_Balkan 4.88
    East_Med 17.30
    Italian 2.02
    Near_Eastern 16.74
    North_Caucasian 17.11
    South_Central_Asian 16.03
    West_Caucasian 9.33
    West_Med 0.13

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    I am not well-versed with the R1a subclades that are present in the Middle Eastern people. I doubt that it is native to the area. It might be present in the Middle East because of Arabic/Ottoman slave trade. As you know, Arabs captured slaves in the Pontic steppes and brought them to the Middle East as slave soldiers.

    Your automosal DNA signals that you have Kurdish blood and East European blood (East Balkan and Central European components). You have a lot of South Central Asian component, which is a good indicator for Iranic peoples. In fact, you have much more than I do have. Look at mine:

    Amerindian 0.20
    Arabian 1.95
    Armenian 12.05
    East_Balkan 0.10
    East_Med 18.26
    French 1.85
    Italian 7.81
    Near_Eastern 16.18
    North_Caucasian 16.89
    Siberian 0.14
    South_Asian 0.13
    South_Central_Asian 13.76
    Volga-Ural 0.45
    West_Caucasian 10.23

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    Lupus82, where are you from?

    Our results for K36 are very similar. Actually I am not very familiar with K36 if you can share MDLP K23b I'd be more comfortable making comparison.

    With the existing data I see no significant distinctive difference between us, except your somehow higher Italian (and your additional French component) and my East Balkan.

    And yes I clearly have some serious Kurdish in my gene pool instead of Caucasian one like suggested my paternal ancestors.
    However I am not so certain about East European one. Present data is not very clear to me.

    I think my branch of R1a could easily be Asian oriented.

    But you could rightfully claim where did this East Balkan component come from. The answer is I do not know)

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    My roots are from Dersim. Here is my MDLP K23b

    Amerindian 0.24
    Ancestral_Altaic 4.02
    South_Central_Asian 20.97
    Arctic -
    South_Indian 0.78
    Australoid 0.26
    Austronesian -
    Caucasian 43.65
    Archaic_Human 0.20
    East_African 1.25
    East_Siberian 0.54
    European_Early_Farmers 7.80
    Khoisan -
    Melano_Polynesian 0.61
    Archaic_African -
    Near_East 11.61
    North_African 1.41
    Paleo_Siberian 0.16
    African_Pygmy 0.38
    South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian -
    Tungus-Altaic 2.33
    European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.79

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    As unpopular as this sounds. I would not use Eurogenes as the go to calculator if I suspected or knew I had DNA from outside of Europe. The Eurogenes model had a to have a separate calculator to detect Ashkenazi Jew. I can only speculate it was because the various Eurogenes models are considerably slanted to north, west and central Europe, so much so that they would not accurately detect some mid-east or north African traces that would indicate Jewish DNA?

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    I agree with JerryS. Eurogenes in my case seems a bit irrelevant.
    I prefer MDLP K23b, and I am quite familiar with it.

    However if you ask me why MDLP K23b and not MDLP World22. I truely have no clue.
    When I look at the Oracles even these two are somehow different. Which one should I take more seriously. The details are below;

    MDLP World22
    1-Turk,
    2-Azeri,
    3-Kurd

    MDLP K23b
    1-Kurd_North
    2-Azeri
    3-Uzbek_Taskent


    MDLP World-22 Oracle results:
    # Population Percent
    1 West-Asian 44.73
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 20.38
    3 Near_East 18.37
    4 North-East-European 5.43
    5 Indian 3.86
    6 Indo-Iranian 3.8
    7 South-America_Amerind 0.79
    8 North-Siberean 0.72
    9 East-Siberean 0.69
    10 Indo-Tibetan 0.51
    11 North-European-Mesolithic 0.23
    12 Sub-Saharian 0.2
    13 Pygmy 0.19
    14 Arctic-Amerind 0.07
    15 Mesoamerican 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Turk (derived) 5.83
    2 Azeri (derived) 5.87
    3 Kurd (derived) 5.92
    4 Armenian (derived) 8.67
    5 Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) 8.78
    6 Iranian (derived) 9.43
    7 Jew_Azerbaijan (derived) 9.95
    8 Jew_Tat (derived) 9.98
    9 Jew_Kurd (derived) 11.17
    10 Iraqi (derived) 11.9

    MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 40.47
    2 South_Central_Asian 23.79
    3 Near_East 13.46
    4 European_Early_Farmers 8.05
    5 South_Indian 4.03
    6 Tungus-Altaic 3.08
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.71
    8 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.63
    9 North_African 1
    10 Amerindian 0.73
    11 Australoid 0.46
    12 Khoisan 0.3
    13 Archaic_Human 0.24
    14 African_Pygmy 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurd_North ( ) 3.8
    2 Azeri ( ) 5.11
    3 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 6.66
    4 Kurd ( ) 6.74
    5 Kurd_East ( ) 6.8
    6 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 7.79
    7 Kurd_South ( ) 8.1
    8 Turk_Adana ( ) 8.2
    9 Baku_WGA ( ) 8.25
    10 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 9.52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupus82 View Post
    My roots are from Dersim. Here is my MDLP K23b

    Amerindian 0.24
    Ancestral_Altaic 4.02
    South_Central_Asian 20.97
    Arctic -
    South_Indian 0.78
    Australoid 0.26
    Austronesian -
    Caucasian 43.65
    Archaic_Human 0.20
    East_African 1.25
    East_Siberian 0.54
    European_Early_Farmers 7.80
    Khoisan -
    Melano_Polynesian 0.61
    Archaic_African -
    Near_East 11.61
    North_African 1.41
    Paleo_Siberian 0.16
    African_Pygmy 0.38
    South_East_Asian -
    Subsaharian -
    Tungus-Altaic 2.33
    European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.79
    Lupus 82 your results look a bit more Turkic than mine. And most of my mothers known ancestors are Turkish.
    Your South_Central Asian is less than mine and European_Hunters_Gatherers is almost 4.

    I do have lots of Dersim Autosomal matches. From various tribes I understand. We might even be sharing some of our matches in Gedmatch.

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    I think part of my Turkic/Altaic genes come from Ancestral North Eurasian admixture. We have Turkish relatives in our extended family, but none is directly among my blood line.

    Yes, we might share some ancestors. Most Dersimis have been inbred due to the their Alevi heritage. Most of my top matches are from Dersim area and oddly from Iranian Azerbaijan. I suspect part of our people returned to Iran and Turkified over time.

    By the way do you have any information with regard to 23andme and AncestryDNA? Which one is better and accurate?
    Last edited by Lupus82; 10-03-2017 at 01:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupus82 View Post
    I think part of my Turkic/Altaic genes come from Ancestral North Eurasian admixture. We have Turkish relatives in our extended family, but none is directly among my blood line.

    Yes, we might share some ancestors. Most Dersimis have been inbred due to the their Alevi heritage. Most of my top matches are from Dersim area and oddly from Iranian Azerbaijan. I suspect part of our people returned to Iran and Turkified over time.

    By the way do you have any information with regard to 23andme and AncestryDNA? Which one is better and accurate?
    My family is not Alevi, but it seems like we have had some connection with Dersim area. From my correspondence with the people from Dersim, my understanding is that some of the tribes left Malatya (which is my hometown) to reach Dersim.

    When I go back to deeper past, It is very likely that my ancestors have left Azerbaican to arrive Anatolia. There are several Alhan villages throughout Turkey, from Iğdır to Dersim, from Malatya to Konya and finally to Kütahya and Emirdağ.

    And I've learned that Alhan's of Emirdağ was deported from Karabakh of Azerbaijan.

    To me it would have make great sense if we shared the same root with these Alhans.
    Mostly because my oracles usually points to Azeri etnicity. Most of the time Iranian etnicity also comes up.

    Now, I inclined to think that instead of Caucasian origin Azeri origin would be more likely.

    Then again, Kurd North and Azeri is very close to each other. Which one I actually carry or how much of Kurd North and Azeri component is the question mark.

    I live in Turkey, and as far as I know only FTDNA ships to Turkey.

    Therefore it was my only choice along with their extensive coverage of our area.

    But from what I can remember 23andme is more of a choice, because it gives both autosomal results and your haplogroup. I could be totaly wrong though.

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