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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    All these men are a mix of Western and Eastern Eurasians,
    Their phenotype is not Yamnaya

    Look at their Basal results

    Ancient_North_Eurasian Basal-rich East_Eurasian Oceanian Southeast_Asian Sub-Saharan Villabruna-related

    Bashkir:average 29.12 13.8933333 28.2033333 0.36 0.8433333 0 27.58
    I doubt we're going to find modern men anywhere who look exactly like men from the 3rd millennium BC.

    A lot of stuff has gone into the blender to produce the modern milkshake.
     


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    Bashkir is NOT an Indoeuropean language, but a Turkish one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_r_abril View Post
    Bashkir is NOT an Indoeuropean language, but a Turkish one.
    Pretty obviously that represents a change the ancestors of the Bashkirs underwent.

    My y-dna ancestors probably spoke Welsh and before that Brythonic, but I speak English now.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by r_r_abril View Post
    Bashkir is NOT an Indoeuropean language, but a Turkish one.
    Sorry, but you said a mistake.

    Because your words is a not argument. For example.

    Afroamerican man from USA is NOT an African language, but a English one.

    Or.

    I know Russian language, but i don't Russian nationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post
    Sorry, but you said a mistake.

    Because your words is a not argument. For example.

    Afroamerican man from USA is NOT an African language, but a English one.

    Or.

    I know Russian language, but i don't Russian nationality.
    I'm sorry... but abril was right: Bashkir is also a language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    I'm sorry... but abril was right: Bashkir is also a language.
    A Language is not ethnic factor of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    I'm sorry... but abril was right: Bashkir is also a language.
    Yes, Bashkir is also a language, but the people currently called Bashkirs descend from y-dna ancestors who were originally speakers of Indo-European. Pointing out that they speak a Turkic language now isn't tantamount to proof their Yamnaya ancestors did, any more than pointing out that I speak English now means my own y-dna ancestors didn't speak Welsh.

    There are loads of people in what is now Turkey who would be called Turks and who speak Turkish but who are the descendants of Greeks, Armenians, etc., etc., who got caught up in the Turkish conquest of Anatolia.
     


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    Bashkir also seem to have a lot of direct Scythian/Sarmatian ancestry (R1a-Z93>Z2124). They probably look quite distinct from Yamnayas because of significant East Eurasian admixture, which Yamnaya lacked , but they likely look quite similar to Scythians who had similar amounts of West Eurasian and East Eurasian admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Bashkir also seem to have a lot of direct Scythian/Sarmatian ancestry (R1a-Z93>Z2124). They probably look quite distinct from Yamnayas because of significant East Eurasian admixture, which Yamnaya lacked , but they likely look quite similar to Scythians who had similar amounts of West Eurasian and East Eurasian admixture.
    Very few Bashkirs did auDNA testing. Bulat published his own results: the Eastern Asian component is at around 25%, which should be typical.
    Last edited by kosmonomad; 06-27-2017 at 08:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulat View Post

    2) On the R1b Basal Subclades project - in the R-KMS75 category there is an Iraqi Arab from the Bedouin Eneza tribe (kit 83705 FTDNA) - YF05663.
    Are you sure this man's an ethnic Bedouin and not a "mainstream" Iraqi Muslim with some Central Asian ancestry (hence the fact that he's R1b-KMS75). I'm asking you this question, because I know for a fact that Bedouins are a very patriarchal people and are for that very reason quite homogeneous in terms of Y-DNA (they are basically almost all J1, with some occasional E-M35.1, T, J2 and/or R1a-Z93).
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